[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be blunt... it doesn't really matter what people in England think about it or how the English media chooses to spin it.

Seen plenty of Scots criticising it as well although they're probably not considered the 'right' Scots

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be blunt... it doesn't really matter what people in England think about it or how the English media chooses to spin it.

Well yes I agree with that. I was replying to

The UK wide media didn't give a **** about the power grab but now they're finally talking about it

Mainly. The UK wide media are not talking about the power grab, they are taking the piss. If there had actually been something done to highlight the power grab, maybe more people would understand the point of it. as it was, it looked like he just did not want to wait 30 mins and had a bit of a strop.

Now you have explained whats actually going on I agree that Westminster is behaving appallingly towards Scotland. And if the whole point of this was to get publicity then it clearly worked. But to deny it was preplanned or whatever like many seem to be trying to do on FB is just bloody stupid

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also just don't get the "Childishness!" part being a thing.

"Breaking News! The House of Commons is Childish" ... ... . Did I miss the day that it wasn't?

HOC is always childish tbh. It astounds me that the people we vote into power go on the way they do in a professional setting.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seen plenty of Scots criticising it as well although they're probably not considered the 'right' Scots

The only important thing is that more Scottish people today than yesterday know that Westminster is covertly and undemocratically trying to seize devolved powers.

The Scottish people who don't care about devolved powers returning to Westminster - I can ONLY imagine - are simply unaware of how much of a buffer the Scottish parliament is going to be (and already is) against the social and economic turmoil that's going to hit England over the next few years. This should be of prime importance no matter which side of the "Yes or No" Indy debate one falls on. A lot of "No to Indy" voters are in favour of DevoMax, or at the very least, maintaining the current level.

[Livia]

Scotland receive an unfair share of public money. Even the BBC spends more on Scotland than in England. How is that allowed? Hope some English MPs walk out today over that and make it good and childish.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also just don't get the "Childishness!" part being a thing.

"Breaking News! The House of Commons is Childish" ... ... . Did I miss the day that it wasn't?

Yes a Horrid Loop
TS.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's just not true.

Yes it is.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Yes it is.

Well, I can't argue with well thought-through, reasoned debate like that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's just not true.

Originally Posted by Greg!

Yes it is.

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, I can't argue with well thought-through, reasoned debate like that.

Honestly Livia, I get that you've given up on SD's but if you don't want to bother engaging in anything then maybe just actually don't engage?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

You should have a referendum.

Oh no, wait....

[bots]

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

Hallelujah! I was about to post a similar comment myself.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

good point

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

Excellent point.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what people seemed to have missed is that it was the snp that walked out. They are not the sole representatives of Scots in Westminster. It was a party political move, nothing more.

I see your point being called "good" a lot here but... What do you actually mean? Of course it was a party political move? What else would it be? Why would the Scottish MPs from other parties join them? And why does it matter that they didn't?

[arista]

SNP membership applications rise by 10,000% after MPs' mass walkout in Westminster

https://news.sky.com/story/snp-membe...nster-11404491

[jaxie]

And yet Maasfrict and Lisbon were just fine and dandy with the SNP.

The hypocrasy is thick in the air.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh right. I think that the power the government gave to Scotland was always something they regretted, and it was clearly just done to 'keep the country together'. I am not surprised they are attempting to take it back. But so much **** goes on 'under the radar' in parliament, or is tried to be forced through with noone realizing until its too late. Its crap. Really crap and really dishonest. And surely not what the government is meant to be about, if something was above board and such, why the need to bury it until the last minute, or until after it has been done?

Thanks for the summary, much appreciated.

There is of course no fact in any of the claims that the government are doing any such thing. The argument is over powers that come back from the EU and not powers the devolved government's ever had and Westminster have already said that once Brexit is finalised and the complexity of keeping everything in alignment for trade is sorted out, that many of those powers coming back from the EU will pass to the devolved governments.

The SNP are working very hard to appear maligned to drum up support for indy ref 2.

The fact is that Scotland had it's referendum and if they wanted another they would not be denied. See Spain and Catelonia for a truly unreasonable situation. Scotland are treated with respect within the UK, they are in fact treated better financially than the rest of us. If they don't like it then don't let the door hit you on your way out. Good luck with the Euro as a vassel of the EU. I'm sure they will get along the EU makes you keep having referendum until you get the answer they want as well. See Ireland.

[James]

I've had it up to here with the SNP.