[Alf]

Most women used to leave their babies in the pram outside the shop. Unthinkable now isn't it.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Most women used to leave their babies in the pram outside the shop. Unthinkable now isn't it.

because we’re more aware of the dangers nowadays

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

because we’re more aware of the dangers nowadays

I'm sure their could be a few reasons. I'd say the break up of communities is one reason.

[Matthew.]

i mean the mum could have had a justified reason to leave her kids outside in the shop, but I would say as a general rule, when they are 4 and younger, it’s not on

[Eddie.]

Yeah the two women did the right thing, imagine all the possible scenarios if they hadn’t, especially in the society we live in now...

Maybe if it was an older child attending to the pram and the baby (12 y/o) I think it would be acceptable...

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm sure their could be a few reasons. I'd say the break up of communities is one reason.

this also, but i would say that because Amy said it was a Morrisons’s, that it’s probably in a busy town/city? although I could be wrong, because i live in a small town and we have a co op, but most supermarkets are in larger towns

[Cherie]

Playing devils advocate, the card shop might not have the space for a pram, but maybe she had eyes on them all the time, our local bakery is like that, no room for prams so they are left outside but parents can see them through the glass, if the card shop could accommodate the pram then thats a different issue

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Playing devils advocate, the card shop might not have the space for a pram, but maybe she had eyes on them all the time, our local bakery is like that, no room for prams so they are left outside but parents can see them through the glass, if the card shop could accommodate the pram then thats a different issue

I have seen people go round it with prams and in motor scooters before to be fair...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I have seen people go round it with prams and in motor scooters before to be fair...

in that case no excuse then, they should be with her/him

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Playing devils advocate, the card shop might not have the space for a pram, but maybe she had eyes on them all the time, our local bakery is like that, no room for prams so they are left outside but parents can see them through the glass, if the card shop could accommodate the pram then thats a different issue

That’s still wrong, you could always take the child out of the pram and take them in and keep an eye on the pram, a child isn’t going to make that pram more safer, i would rather lose a pram than a child and i’m sure everyone would. No room for prams is not good enough when you can take the child out of it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That’s still wrong, you could always take the child out of the pram and take them in and keep an eye on the pram, a child isn’t going to make that pram more safer

Thats easy to say if the baby has just gone off to sleep and you are exhausted and you are watching them from the door way, the bakery doesnt hold 5 people so parents are steps away with the door open

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm sure their could be a few reasons. I'd say the break up of communities is one reason.

Vioence and predators aren't a new phenomenon, it's just that people pay more attention to it then they used to.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Vioence and predators aren't a new phenomenon, it's just that people pay more attention to it then they used to.

And drugs also cause paranoia.

Like I said, there are many reasons how we got to the point we have.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

And drugs also cause paranoia.

Like I said, there are many reasons how we got to the point we have.

Most of it comes from the simple fact that we acknowledge these things now when they were brushed under the table a few decades ago.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Alf

Most women used to leave their babies in the pram outside the shop. Unthinkable now isn't it.

Well back then people didn't think twice or worry as much as times were different , same goes for leaving kids on their own, leaving them in cars and letting them answer the door to strangers .

It's irresponsible to leave such young children outside a shop especially now when we hear such horror stories . and it only takes a second for something bad to happen .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well back then people didn't think twice or worry as much as times were different , same goes for leaving kids on their own, leaving them in cars and letting them answer the door to strangers .

It's irresponsible to leave such young children outside a shop especially now when we hear such horror stories . and it only takes a second for something bad to happen .

Statistically though kids really weren't much safer "back then" that they are now... It's just that the horror stories from all over the world get around fast, making something that IS still very, very rare (child abduction) seem more common than it is.

I mean, I do "get it" to be fair. My daughter (8) plays out with her friends a lot, and I don't give it a second thought now, but it took me a while to get used to it and accept that her playing outside with her friends is statistically much, much safer than a whole host of things. E.g. A child is actually at much more risk every single time you take them on a car journey than they are playing outdoors, or even waiting outside a shop.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Statistically though kids really weren't much safer "back then" that they are now... It's just that the horror stories from all over the world get around fast, making something that IS still very, very rare (child abduction) seem more common than it is.

I mean, I do "get it" to be fair. My daughter (8) plays out with her friends a lot, and I don't give it a second thought now, but it took me a while to get used to it and accept that her playing outside with her friends is statistically much, much safer than a whole host of things. E.g. A child is actually at much more risk every single time you take them on a car journey than they are playing outdoors, or even waiting outside a shop.

I never said they were safer back then but people didn't see it as much of a problem , I assume we're talking pre 1980's ? Kids played out more ,I suppose it was seen as a good thing as they were exercising and getting fresh air ,things have changed today where they're mostly cooped inside playing video games .

Or when they do go out they have to be careful and more aware of their surroundings.

But there's definitely more dangerous risks today or so it seems.