[thesheriff443]

The bible is a story book before television, some went of and chose cats as gods.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The bible is a story book before television, some went of and chose cats as gods.

As is the Koran and look at the trouble that is still causing in this day and age!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

As is the Koran and look at the trouble that is still causing in this day and age!

Anyone who abuses religion with their own twisted ideas will always cause trouble , it's the people that are the problem not the religion itself

I also think it's disrespectful when people rip Religion to pieces and mock it ,fair enough everyone has different views and a laugh and a giggle is one thing . But it's not nice to be rude about others beliefs even if you don't understand it .

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Anyone who abuses religion with their own twisted ideas will always cause trouble , it's the people that are the problem not the religion itself

I also think it's disrespectful when people rip Religion to pieces and mock it ,fair enough everyone has different views and a laugh and a giggle is one thing . But it's not nice to be rude about others beliefs even if you don't understand it .

Have you read the comments about Jesus and Christianity and you pass no comments but as soon as there is a negative comment on the Koran you object - rather one-dided don’t you think! You can’t object to criticism of one religion and not the rest and expect it to be relevant.

Fact is one particular religion is causing more problems in the world today than any other! It may be some people’s interpretation of the words to suit in some cases but in others the words speak for themselves.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Have you read the comments about Jesus and Christianity and you pass no comments but as soon as there is a negative comment on the Koran you object - rather one-dided don’t you think! You can’t object to criticism of one religion and not the rest and expect it to be relevant.

Fact is one particular religion is causing more problems in the world today than any other! It may be some people’s interpretation of the words to suit in some cases but in others the words speak for themselves.

What the hell are you talking about ??? , I'm talking about Religion in general it's not because of the Quran you mentioned .

And you obviously have no idea on my previous posts , I've made comments on Christianity/ Catholism .

All I'm saying is it's people who abuse religion , the average person with faith & religion is peaceful and they don't push any beliefs on people .

I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't mock Buddhism .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What the hell are you talking about ??? , I'm talking about Religion in general it's not because of the Quran you mentioned .

And you obviously have no idea on my previous posts , I've made comments on Christianity/ Catholism .

All I'm saying is it's people who abuse religion , the average person with faith & religion is peaceful and they don't push any beliefs on people .

I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't mock Buddhism .

they push beliefs on to their children

sadly

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they push beliefs on to their children

sadly

Obviously everyone is different .

There will always be strict conservative families , and yes some people are fanatics who force their agendas on other people like it's their way or the high way and that's wrong to do .

But you can't tar these people with the same brush

There's arrogance and brainwashing in some Athieism as well , some of them are very forceful with their beliefs or rather not beliefs .

I don't like anyone who tries to push anything on anyone

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they push beliefs on to their children

sadly

Don't all parents do that to an extend? Push their worldview on their children?
Once they grow up, children have free will to reject that baggage.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What the hell are you talking about ??? , I'm talking about Religion in general it's not because of the Quran you mentioned .

And you obviously have no idea on my previous posts , I've made comments on Christianity/ Catholism .

All I'm saying is it's people who abuse religion , the average person with faith & religion is peaceful and they don't push any beliefs on people .

I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't mock Buddhism .

I am not religious and not a fan of religion in general. But I only have a problem with it when it significantly infringes on the rights and values of others. One in particular is doing so, in my opinion, big time and posing a threat to many.

My comment to you was based on the fact that you didn’t pass comment on other far more negative comments on Jesus and Christianity but I made one criticism of of the Koran/Quran and you jumped all over it. It made no sense and sounded biased.

I read through the thread and saw no previous posts of yours criticising others who had made stronger anti Christianity threads - only mine which found fault with The Koran. If you have done so in other threads how on earth am I supposed to know that - I was talking about this thread.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I am not religious and not a fan of religion in general. But I only have a problem with it when it significantly infringes on the rights and values of others. One in particular is doing so, in my opinion, big time and posing a threat to many.

My comment to you was based on the fact that you didn’t pass comment on other far more negative comments on Jesus and Christianity but I made one criticism of of the Koran/Quran and you jumped all over it. It made no sense and sounded biased.

I read through the thread and saw no previous posts of yours criticising others who had made stronger anti Christianity threads - only mine which found fault with The Koran. If you have done so in other threads how on earth am I supposed to know that - I was talking about this thread.

Don't think yourself special ,I just decided to reply to yours as it was just luck of the draw . I read through all comments. You're the one taking it the wrong way ,I was talking Religion in general . Let's be sensible.

I'm not biased atall . I'm talking about other topics (not every thread on the forum) as I don't partake in every discussion on this forum .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What the hell are you talking about ??? , I'm talking about Religion in general it's not because of the Quran you mentioned .

And you obviously have no idea on my previous posts , I've made comments on Christianity/ Catholism .

All I'm saying is it's people who abuse religion , the average person with faith & religion is peaceful and they don't push any beliefs on people .

I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't mock Buddhism .

must agree, majority of religious people are sensible about these things

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Anyone who abuses religion with their own twisted ideas will always cause trouble , it's the people that are the problem not the religion itself

I also think it's disrespectful when people rip Religion to pieces and mock it ,fair enough everyone has different views and a laugh and a giggle is one thing . But it's not nice to be rude about others beliefs even if you don't understand it .

"fair enough everyone has different views"

this is a problematic line

Its not up for debate that gods exist and people can walk on water and heal sick people by mind power

People believe stuff like that because their parents brainwashed them as they were brainwashed. Its not based on evidence or fact its nothing more than superstition

just as people dont walk under ladders, dont break mirrors, dont put shoes on a table, touch wood etc

and indeed all of that is fine if its personal but not in schools, not in government.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"fair enough everyone has different views"

this is a problematic line

Its not up for debate that gods exist and people can walk on water and heal sick people by mind power

People believe stuff like that because their parents brainwashed them as they were brainwashed. Its not based on evidence or fact its nothing more than superstition

just as people dont walk under ladders, dont break mirrors, dont put shoes on a table, touch wood etc

and indeed all of that is fine if its personal but not in schools, not in government.

I agree LT. People can believe in what they want but it should never be via indoctrination or force. Unfortunately it often is. Religion and superstition are pretty much the same thing with people relying on some unknown force to protect them if they do/don’t do certain things. And one thing is for sure it holds back people and economies.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

As is the Koran and look at the trouble that is still causing in this day and age!

It's easy for the West to feel superior, but we shouldn't really.
Islam is roughly 500 years younger than Christianity. Christianity went persecuting and killing others for ages (Inquisition, crusades, converting whole nations by sword in Eastern Europe, Africa and in the New World, etc etc).
We grew out of that and religious wars and so will Islam one day.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's easy for the West to feel superior, but we shouldn't really.
Islam is roughly 500 years younger than Christianity. Christianity went persecuting and killing others for ages (Inquisition, crusades, converting whole nations by sword in Eastern Europe, Africa and in the New World, etc etc).
We grew out of that and religious wars and so will Islam one day.

Which fool taught you that?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Which fool taught you that?

Nobody, it's my own observation. So thank you for the compliment, Alf!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's easy for the West to feel superior, but we shouldn't really.
Islam is roughly 500 years younger than Christianity. Christianity went persecuting and killing others for ages (Inquisition, crusades, converting whole nations by sword in Eastern Europe, Africa and in the New World, etc etc).
We grew out of that and religious wars and so will Islam one day.

That may be twosugars but the world in general has moved on. People are more educated than ever before and certain practices can’t be tolerated for the next 500 years to allow people to ‘catch up’. People know better now and anyone living in the West or any country that has communication with the rest of the world is exposed to that.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That may be twosugars but the world in general has moved on. People are more educated than ever before and certain practices can’t be tolerated for the next 500 years to allow people to ‘catch up’. People know better now and anyone living in the West or any country that has communication with the rest of the world is exposed to that.

You have a point. But I wonder if that makes much difference. As we see it probably doesn't, so something else could be at play. Maybe some religions (those who take a dim view of non-believers in at least some of their scriptures) have to go through a violent period? We know demagogues will use religious justification wherever then can find it. Christianity has largely gone through that already, although some pockets of that intolerance still remain even if largely not violent. Maybe Islam simply has to go through that all the way too. I.e every interpretation that lends itself to violence used up and rendered futile? Just a thought.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You have a point. But I wonder if that makes much difference. As we see it probably doesn't, so something else could be at play. Maybe some religions (those who take a dim view of non-believers in at least some of their scriptures) have to go through a violent period? We know demagogues will use religious justification wherever then can find it. Christianity has largely gone through that already, although some pockets of that intolerance still remain even if largely not violent. Maybe Islam simply has to go through that all the way too. I.e every interpretation that lends itself to violence used up and rendered futile? Just a thought.

A scary thought and one we can’t just justify/excuse/tolerate on that basis - or any basis. Enough lives have already been lost/ruined through the centuries and now is the time to stop especially when based on religion alone.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

A scary thought and one we can’t just justify/excuse/tolerate on that basis - or any basis. Enough lives have already been lost/ruined through the centuries and now is the time to stop especially when based on religion alone.

Absolutely.
The trouble with Islam though, seems to me, is not purely religious. The West has played a rather negative role in that region. Starting all the way back with colonisation and drawing arbitrary borders through constant meddling, propping up unpopular leaders and economic exploitation. So you have various "patriotic" justifications weaved into religious arguments for fighting the West.