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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Just to redress a few misconceptions:

'Christianity' was NOT 'invented'. Christianity is a Religion which evolved from followers of the teachings of the historical Jesus.

Religion is NOT the cause of most Wars or bloodshed on this planet - Atheism and Secularity are:

1) Over the past 5,000 years and a total of 1,763 wars fought —only 123 (or about 7%) were religious in nature.

2) When the 66 wars which were waged in the name of Islam are removed, that number is cut down to a little more than 3%.

3) Atheism is responsible for a far greater degree of bloodshed than Christianity and all other religions combined with a body count of more than 100 million in the 20th century alone thanks to atheist regimes like Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, and others.

Sources: ‘The Encyclopedia of War’ by Philip and Axelrod (Three Volumes), ‘Lethal Politics*and*Death by Government’ by R.J. Rummel, and the 2014 report from The Institute for Economics and Peace.

The idea that any non-religious war was therefore "caused by" atheism or secularity is completely false logic Kirk. Just because its "not one thing" does not mean it "must be the other thing".

What you're actually pointing out is that there are more non-religious wars than religious wars. But that does not mean those wars were "caused by atheism". They are usually caused by political differences or territorial disputes. "Atheism" doesn't come into it at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The idea that any non-religious war was therefore "caused by" atheism or secularity is completely false logic Kirk. Just because its "not one thing" does not mean it "must be the other thing".

What you're actually pointing out is that there are more non-religious wars than religious wars. But that does not mean those wars were "caused by atheism". They are usually caused by political differences or territorial disputes. "Atheism" doesn't come into it at all.

Tbh if a war is about atheism then that involves religion because that implies the war was started due to atheism and being against religion.

Unless he means a lack of religion and atheism causes disruption in the world. But that's a matter of opinion than fact.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbh if a war is about atheism then that involves religion because that implies the war was started due to atheism and being against religion.

Unless he means a lack of religion and atheism causes disruption in the world. But that's a matter of opinion than fact.

I think the point was there's non religious wars therefore "Atheist" wars . But I think some people are misunderstanding.

There's wars without any mention of religion .

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The idea that any non-religious war was therefore "caused by" atheism or secularity is completely false logic Kirk. Just because its "not one thing" does not mean it "must be the other thing".

What you're actually pointing out is that there are more non-religious wars than religious wars. But that does not mean those wars were "caused by atheism". They are usually caused by political differences or territorial disputes. "Atheism" doesn't come into it at all.

I'll settle for your opinion T.S because it is little more than pedantics to me and the point is that by far the hugest percentage of all wars are through non-religious causes.

Though you are arguing against the authors/compilers of the three sourcebooks given and not me.