[Redway]

Originally Posted by Samm

I wish that was everyone's view, but sadly it's not, many LGBT people including myself are scared of a normal activity like holding hands with another person of the same sex in public, my friend and his partner was spat on a few weeks ago in daylight as they were holding hands walking in public view, that's why LGBT issues must have a strong voice, because until LGBT people are seen as "just another person" as you stated, Pride events and awareness must still go on

Not all cultures have been streamlined to be PC though have they.

You’re living on cloud 9 if you think Nigerian parents in South London wouldn’t take their kids out of a primary school that advocates gay pride for primary school kids.

Pride events don’t need to go on at school. Especially black schools. That’s how it is in reality.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not all cultures have been streamlined to be PC though have they.

You’re living on cloud 9 if you think Nigerian parents in South London wouldn’t take their kids out of a primary school that advocates gay pride for primary school kids.

Pride events don’t need to go on at school. Especially black schools. That’s how it is in reality.

To be fair I don’t think any culture should be given special treatment on this. Why especially black schools - there are many parents who don’t want it in ‘white’ schools either - though I doubt there is any school in the country that is 100% white these days.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

To be fair I don’t think any culture should be given special treatment on this. Why especially black schools - there are many parents who don’t want it in ‘white’ schools either - though I doubt there is any school in the country that is 100% white these days.

Why especially black schools?

Because black culture is much more homophobic than white British culture. Facts whether it sounds PC or not.

White people who aren’t exposed to Afro-Caribbean tings and assume that everyone’s at the same level of political correctness might not admit the truth but I can say that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why especially black schools?

Because black culture is much more homophobic than white British culture. Facts whether it sounds PC or not.

White people who aren’t exposed to Afro-Caribbean tings and assume that everyone’s at the same level of political correctness might not admit the truth but I can say that.

I like your style Redway, you say it as it is, not the whitewash that is constantly spouted pardon the pun

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why especially black schools?

Because black culture is much more homophobic than white British culture. Facts whether it sounds PC or not.

White people who aren’t exposed to Afro-Caribbean tings and assume that everyone’s at the same level of political correctness might not admit the truth but I can say that.

Not all whites or other races/cultures are at the same level of PC as is regularly apparent in such threads and everywhere.

If living in Britain no one should expect preferential treatment due to culture.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not all whites or other races/cultures are at the same level of PC as is regularly apparent in such threads and everywhere.

If living in Britain no one should expect preferential treatment due to culture.

Some of these cultures have been here for centuries.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say again, PC white British culture ain’t where it starts and ends.

You might be onto something if this was Cumbria we were talking about but this is black London. There’s being open-minded and there’s getting killed on the street.

You know what I’m saying deep down.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Some of these cultures have been here for centuries.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say again, PC white British culture ain’t where it starts and ends.

You might be onto something if this was Cumbria we were talking about but this is black London. There’s being open-minded and there’s getting killed on the street.

You know what I’m saying deep down.

And alot of people are happy for other cultures to retain their own values until something like this comes up and slaps them round the chops then its a different story

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

Some of these cultures have been here for centuries.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say again, PC white British culture ain’t where it starts and ends.

You might be onto something if this was Cumbria we were talking about but this is black London. There’s being open-minded and there’s getting killed on the street.

You know what I’m saying deep down.

No I don’t. If black London has been exposed to these views for as long as everyone else they should be treated exactly the same as everyone else. White culture is pretty much a mixed bag with people having many different views on this - so why you think black culture has any more ‘right’ to express disagreement is ridiculous.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No I don’t. If black London has been exposed to these views for as long as everyone else they should be treated exactly the same as everyone else. White culture is pretty much a mixed bag with people having many different views on this - so why you think black culture has any more ‘right’ to express disagreement is ridiculous.

You’d understand if you had more black mates.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No I don’t. If black London has been exposed to these views for as long as everyone else they should be treated exactly the same as everyone else. White culture is pretty much a mixed bag with people having many different views on this - so why you think black culture has any more ‘right’ to express disagreement is ridiculous.

Some have been exposed, some haven’t. A school packed with Nigerian kids doesn’t need pride lectures and those parents would sooner go straight to Hell than sign their little kids up for something like that. Shocking as that night sound to a guy like you.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

It wasn't that long ago you could go to prison for being gay. Now you can marry the person you love and it's actually against the law to discriminate. You can't deny that things have changed for gay people and continue to change. But taking that into a primary school... I don't think it belongs there. Secondary school... maybe.

I know things have changed massively in the last twenty years, I didn't say it didn't and i'm proud of that, but that reality is there's still a lot of discrimination that occurs, secondary school it should be yes, but it's better to give the LGBT information to kids at a young age, i'm not saying they need to throw a massive pride parade to show this, but maybe adapt it to one of their lessons, inform them about LGBT and that it's perfectly normal for people of the same sex to love each other, and in terms of a pride event I don't see anything wrong with it, for parents to come in, and being able to dress up in colourful outfits with the entire school, sell food and drinks like a normal parade

Originally Posted by Redway

Not all cultures have been streamlined to be PC though have they.

You’re living on cloud 9 if you think Nigerian parents in South London wouldn’t take their kids out of a primary school that advocates gay pride for primary school kids.

Pride events don’t need to go on at school. Especially black schools. That’s how it is in reality.

So we should just ignore the issues? and let them stay like that, maybe not the pride parade like I was saying and maybe some educational lessons

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

I know things have changed massively in the last twenty years, I didn't say it didn't and i'm proud of that, but that reality is there's still a lot of discrimination that occurs, secondary school it should be yes, but it's better to give the LGBT information to kids at a young age, i'm not saying they need to throw a massive pride parade to show this, but maybe adapt it to one of their lessons, inform them about LGBT and that it's perfectly normal for people of the same sex to love each other, and in terms of a pride event I don't see anything wrong with it, for parents to come in, and being able to dress up in colourful outfits with the entire school, sell food and drinks like a normal parade



So we should just ignore the issues? and let them stay like that, maybe not the pride parade like I was saying and maybe some educational lessons

I have no objection to the subject being discussed in school. I have three nieces who are now 15, 13 and 10. They all go to the same school and they all have openly gay friends at that school. Kids are far more accepting of others than adults are anyway, so having adults force a gay pride march on a primary school seems like overkill to me.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have no objection to the subject being discussed in school. I have three nieces who are now 15, 13 and 10. They all go to the same school and they all have openly gay friends at that school. Kids are far more accepting of others than adults are anyway, so having adults force a gay pride march on a primary school seems like overkill to me.

fair enough it should be discussed in schools glad we agree on that, I feel like a pride event would be fun for the kids that's all and obviously it would be marketed completely differently from how adults pride events are organised, even though the only difference would be no alcohol and of course it would be less provocative even though it's usually just the people attending adults pride events that make it provocative (myself included oop) but anyone would have the common sense to dress sensible to a event centred around kids .

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

fair enough it should be discussed in schools glad we agree on that, I feel like a pride event would be fun for the kids that's all and obviously it would be marketed completely differently from how adults pride events are organised, even though the only difference would be no alcohol and of course it would be less provocative even though it's usually just the people attending adults pride events that make it provocative (myself included oop) but anyone would have the common sense to dress sensible to a event centred around kids .

I'm good with all of that. But not in primary school. Discuss it openly, answer questions honestly... but let's not make them dance to Steps in the playground, eh? :-)

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm good with all of that. But not in primary school. Discuss it openly, answer questions honestly... but let's not make them dance to Steps in the playground, eh? :-)

why not I was dancing to tragedy in my bedroom when I was 7

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Samm

why not I was dancing to tragedy in my bedroom when I was 7

So what. . That doesn’t give you the right to dictate to parents how they should feel about their young children having such issues forced on them at such a young age.