[Beso]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You can't mend evil despite throwing millions of taxpayers money at them ........Venables is evil and if not locked up for life could kill again

My point exactly..its futile.

Only way is to dope them up enough so they cant move.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My point exactly..its futile.

Only way is to dope them up enough so they cant move.

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

Well said my friend

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

I would like a better break down on the crimes committed and the figures for each crime.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I would like a better break down on the crimes committed and the figures for each crime.

I don't have them or really time to look deeply into it right now, though I'm sure they can be found. Off the top of my head - reoffending rates for petty crime (theft, destruction of property etc.) is higher in juveniles than adults but serious violent crime (long sentences) is lower. Also far lower where high standards of education / mental health treatment are offered compared to purely punitive incarceration, so much so that there are huge calls for an overhaul of the juvenile detention system to make it less punitive. The only argument against it, basically, is that it "leaves a bad taste in people's mouths" if it looks like offenders are "getting it too easy". Even though "making it harder" increases the risk of reoffending. People have a revenge mindset that just isn't helpful.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

I actually don't agree with this, As my children have grown up the children in the neighbourhood who were horrible bullies have remained so, with charges of domestic violence and/ or child neglect. NOT ALL from lone parent families I might add.
It's a small random longitudinal study but that's my finding.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I actually don't agree with this, As my children have grown up the children in the neighbourhood who were horrible bullies have remained so, with charges of domestic violence and/ or child neglect. NOT ALL from lone parent families I might add.
It's a small random longitudinal study but that's my finding.

I'm speaking more along the lines of one-off serious incidents (involving serious injury or death that would result in a lengthy juvenile detention spell). Kids who are just generally highly aggressive usually come from aggressive homes, and that very sadly is something that is often passed down through the generations. It takes a LOT for a bully to end up with a non-custodial charge of any kind beyond a warning, let alone prison.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm speaking more along the lines of one-off serious incidents (involving serious injury or death that would result in a lengthy juvenile detention spell). Kids who are just generally highly aggressive usually come from aggressive homes, and that very sadly is something that is often passed down through the generations. It takes a LOT for a bully to end up with a non-custodial charge of any kind beyond a warning, let alone prison.

Well where I would agree with that in part there are also exceptions, nothing is set in stone.