[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But then what do you have to say about the Sadiq balloon in response? Are you opposed to that or just when it's someone you like?

When did I ever say I liked Trump I think they are are both stupid ideas, it's childish imo.

[Tom4784]

If there's no health and safety concerns then I see no issue with either balloon. Whether or not it's childish doesn't matter one bit, it's their right to protest how they see fit as long as no one gets hurt.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If there's no health and safety concerns then I see no issue with either balloon. Whether or not it's childish doesn't matter one bit, it's their right to protest how they see fit as long as no one gets hurt.

Yep - it’s their right to makes arses of themselves. They must be used to it by now!

[Vicky.]

Wouldn't be opposed to a whole nursery full of random baby politicians tbh. Childish, yes of course. As is the American Idiot thing. But..its peaceful.

What I really have found very interesting about this whole thing is the reaction of a few people who are usually all super 'freedom of speech!' and such. All of a sudden, freedom of speech/expression is NOT whats wanted, what is being called for are bans on songs being sold/streamed, bans on ideas such as this (did I mention childish?! ) baloon...apparently marching is pointless as it changes nothing..when only weeks back there were calls for protest marches because someone who had broken the law got locked up...and so on.

Yesterday it was only one guy I saw kicking off badly about this. Now there are a few of them, they are getting very irrate at the sheer gall of anyone to disagree with them, oddly enough. I do tend to find its usually left wing people wanting to control how others speak/think, but because Trump is involved..suddenly banning stuff is the best plan of action from those who are usually opposed to the nanny state stuff.

All very odd.

None of the above is about people on here, though a similar reaction seems to be going on here too I guess.

[Kazanne]

Peaceful protests are fine,I just find the balloon thing quite embarrassing for the country,and what it conveys to other countries about us,plus at the end of the day will it change anything ? it certainly wont change Trump he will probably just have more distain for us, so who is it for really ? but it's not the blimp that has annoyed some people ,but the fact the mayor of London has sanctioned it,he is supposed to be a figure worthy of respect isn't he? I am sure he would not have sanctioned one of Mohammed floating about as a fun figure. Some people don't like Trump that is fair enough,but are we going to waste money on loads of these things everytime we don't like someone, and will we be allowed?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Peaceful protests are fine,I just find the balloon thing quite embarrassing for the country,and what it conveys to other countries about us,plus at the end of the day will it change anything ? it certainly wont change Trump he will probably just have more distain for us, so who is it for really ? but it's not the blimp that has annoyed some people ,but the fact the mayor of London has sanctioned it,he is supposed to be a figure worthy of respect isn't he? I am sure he would not have sanctioned one of Mohammed floating about as a fun figure. Some people don't like Trump that is fair enough,but are we going to waste money on loads of these things everytime we don't like someone, and will we be allowed?

I think some people are missing the point entirely as it has nothing to do with free speech and more to do with childish tantrums. Their little protests won’t make one jot of difference to Trrump being President and just shows they havre more in common with him than they would ever care to admit. And yes Khan is more the issue as he is using his position to do the same.

If the childish Ttump is a laughing stock so are his haters who it seems would rather take the puerile position of ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’. Some achiement.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think some people are missing the point entirely as it has nothing to do with free speech and more to do with childish tantrums. Their little protests won’t make one jot of difference to Trrump being President and just shows they havre more in common with him than they would ever care to admit. And yes Khan is more the issue as he is using his position to do the same.

If the childish Ttump is a laughing stock so are his haters who it seems would rather take the puerile position of ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’. Some achiement.

Hi brillo ,yes I agree,it's all very silly and a waste of time and money, give that money to charity.

[Gusto Brunt]

Mayor Khan is a big kid himself for allowing this stupid thing to fly above Parliament.

He needs to grow up and stop criticising and sniping at Trump. It's not Trump that's looking bad, it's Khan. He's an embarrassment. No other country in the world would allow this. Not even North Korea.

Khan needs to work on stopping gun crime, the idiot he is. He infuriates me.

I just hope someone in the crowd fires a dart at the ballon and it slowly goes down.

Waste of money. It just goes to show how low these idiots who hate Trump will go. To actually spend £18,000 on that monstrosity. How about giving that money to charity to help the people they say Trump's policies affect, like refugees.

Oh no, they'd rather spend EIGHTEEN GRAND on that.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Mayor Khan is a big kid himself for allowing this stupid thing to fly above Parliament.

He needs to grow up and stop criticising and sniping at Trump. It's not Trump that's looking bad, it's Khan. He's an embarrassment. No other country in the world would allow this. Not even North Korea.

Khan needs to work on stopping gun crime, the idiot he is. He infuriates me.

I just hope someone in the crowd fires a dart at the ballon and it slowly goes down.

Waste of money. It just goes to show how low these idiots who hate Trump will go. To actually spend £18,000 on that monstrosity. How about giving that money to charity to help the people they say Trump's policies affect, like refugees.

Oh no, they'd rather spend EIGHTEEN GRAND on that.

18 grand !!! bloody hell that's obscene,Gusto, I am sure the NHS could use that.

[Brillopad]

Let’s see how ‘peaceful’ it will actually be. The whole thing will give a lot of groups a good excuse to cause mayhem - maybe worse. I know I wom’t Be going anywhere near it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If there's no health and safety concerns then I see no issue with either balloon. Whether or not it's childish doesn't matter one bit, it's their right to protest how they see fit as long as no one gets hurt.

Its not a protest, its trolling by kids?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I disagree, it would be seen as either acceptance or worse allegiance to the march of the bigot.
That or defeat... This country has a proud herritage of protestation we make ourselves heard when we need to from the suffragettes to the Jarrow marchers to the CND marches to the poll tax riots.

Nothing was ever accomplished by saying and doing nothing.

..yeah well there is that as well, Kizzy...that it would be a kind of ‘acceptance’ to do nothing and ignore his visit, type thing...that is a very good point...I guess for me it was more the type of protest being more like ‘Trump behaviour’ so to rise above how he typically behaves...?...but maybe another way of looking at that as well is to give him the message in language or ways he understands with his own behaviour...which would be something like this, the balloon...it is peaceful and it is a protest so yeah, why not...

[Ammi]

...Sadiq Khan couldn’t really do right for doing wrong, whatever he did would have been criticised...was he to say, no you can’t do that I absolutely forbid it...and take away a nation’s right to peacefully protest, to against the values of our democracies...or say yes, if it passes health and safety etc and is deemed ok, then go ahead...and they get ‘threatened’ with having a mocking balloon of himself as well because he should have removed the right to peaceful protest and should have banned.....poor guy, who would be Mayor with choices like that...damned if you do, damned if you don’t...

[Ammi]

...I think the reasons for the feelings against Trump as opposed to other leaders as well is that his country’s ethos is democracy ...while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship...nothing that other US presidents have displayed before...



....it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself...but he’s fine to encourage prejudice against Mexican people...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think the reasons for the feelings against Trump as opposed to other leaders as well is that his country’s ethos is democracy ...while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship...nothing that other US presidents have displayed before...



....it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself...but he’s fine to encourage prejudice against Mexican people...

"while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship"


that will be news to the American political system, what nonsense


."it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself"

There is no evidence that he will see it or be bothered by it, unless you have some?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think some people are missing the point entirely as it has nothing to do with free speech and more to do with childish tantrums. Their little protests won’t make one jot of difference to Trrump being President and just shows they havre more in common with him than they would ever care to admit. And yes Khan is more the issue as he is using his position to do the same.

If the childish Ttump is a laughing stock so are his haters who it seems would rather take the puerile position of ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’. Some achiement.

Wait. What do you mean this balloon wont stop his presidency? That doesnt sound right.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

18 grand !!! bloody hell that's obscene,Gusto, I am sure the NHS could use that.

Totally. And what will they do when it's all over, probably bin it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Mayor Khan is a big kid himself for allowing this stupid thing to fly above Parliament.

He needs to grow up and stop criticising and sniping at Trump. It's not Trump that's looking bad, it's Khan. He's an embarrassment. No other country in the world would allow this. Not even North Korea.

Khan needs to work on stopping gun crime, the idiot he is. He infuriates me.

I just hope someone in the crowd fires a dart at the ballon and it slowly goes down.

Waste of money. It just goes to show how low these idiots who hate Trump will go. To actually spend £18,000 on that monstrosity. How about giving that money to charity to help the people they say Trump's policies affect, like refugees.

Oh no, they'd rather spend EIGHTEEN GRAND on that.

The truth Gusto !!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship"


that will be news to the American political system, what nonsense


."it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself"

There is no evidence that he will see it or be bothered by it, unless you have some?

How so? America is not immune to authoritarianism just like any other country. The systems in place in the US have been wiped away and ignored by trump and the party supporting him. His calls for political opponents to be jailed, his constant attacks on a free press, using the country to enrich himself personally while in office, and his attacks on law enforcement are all signs and key indicators of an authoritarian. The fact he is being helped by a party thirsty for power, rather than trying to help it's citizens is how these things really start moving along.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Sadiq Khan couldn’t really do right for doing wrong, whatever he did would have been criticised...was he to say, no you can’t do that I absolutely forbid it...and take away a nation’s right to peacefully protest, to against the values of our democracies...or say yes, if it passes health and safety etc and is deemed ok, then go ahead...and they get ‘threatened’ with having a mocking balloon of himself as well because he should have removed the right to peaceful protest and should have banned.....poor guy, who would be Mayor with choices like that...damned if you do, damned if you don’t...

Yup, also a good point

I don't much care either way to be honest, protest or no protest, it won't affect me. I am just findng the reaction of some really amusing. Pointing out to this guy who only a few weeks back was posting about the Tommy Robinson protest and how everyone should go to it..and also how everyone should sign the petition (nether of which would actually have any affect, same as this really) about how he and he alone should not be prosecuted for breaking the law, for reasons unknown...led to me being called a 'far left prick' I would say I am pretty centre these days, used to be more left wing (though never far left)...but haven't been for a while now. The 'prick' part may well be true, he is entitled to his opinion after all

I kind of hope Khan does sanction the baby Khan blimp also, if it actually happens. THough if he does, then it will be 'oh he hadno choice so he had to' and such. Again, something he cannot really win on.

Finally, I am certainly no fan of Khan, he behaves likea child fairly regularly and I don't think he is right for the job at all. However, I accept that he was voted in and people do want him. Kind of similar to Trump, though Khan actually got the most votes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Totally. And what will they do when it's all over, probably bin it.

Attach a fleshlight for an arsehole, giant inflatable trump sex doll.

Just throwing ideas around.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup, also a good point

I don't much care either way to be honest, protest or no protest, it won't affect me. I am just findng the reaction of some really amusing. Pointing out to this guy who only a few weeks back was posting about the Tommy Robinson protest and how everyone should go to it..and also how everyone should sign the petition (nether of which would actually have any affect, same as this really) about how he and he alone should not be prosecuted for breaking the law, for reasons unknown...led to me being called a 'far left prick' I would say I am pretty centre these days, used to be more left wing (though never far left)...but haven't been for a while now. The 'prick' part may well be true, he is entitled to his opinion after all

I kind of hope Khan does sanction the baby Khan blimp also, if it actually happens. THough if he does, then it will be 'oh he hadno choice so he had to' and such. Again, something he cannot really win on.

Finally, I am certainly no fan of Khan, he behaves likea child fairly regularly and I don't think he is right for the job at all. However, I accept that he was voted in and people do want him. Kind of similar to Trump, though Khan actually got the most votes.

Khan is a figurehead - no more. Simply a case of positive discrimination.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Khan is a figurehead - no more. Simply a case of positive discrimination.

Positive discrimination? He was democratically elected, not hired by a panel. How can it be positive discrimination?

Unless you're saying that democracy is flawed.

...But surely not.

Surely democracy isn't right for Brexit, and Trump, and the "no" Scottish indy result, and yet

"for some reason"

incorrect when a Muslim... brownface... someone you don't like is elected as London mayor?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Positive discrimination? He was democratically elected, not hired by a panel. How can it be positive discrimination?

Unless you're saying that democracy is flawed.

...But surely not.

Surely democracy isn't right for Brexit, and Trump, and the "no" Scottish indy result, and yet

"for some reason"

incorrect when a Muslim... brownface... someone you don't like is elected as London mayor?

His actions as Major are proof positive - so you can keep your insinuations and send em where the sun don’t shine! Won’t shut me up,

[Vicky.]

Khan is an elected mayor. He wasn't just handpicked by a random panel or whatever, so I don't get how him being mayor can be positive discrimination? Maybe I am just not understanding it all properly, can you explain it to me brillo please? Might be a bit too early for me yet