[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How can being of a given sexuality not be based on sex. Also It has always been presumed (wedding night) that any such relationship is consummated to legitimise it. I wouldn’t imagine there are many, if any, such relationships that have never involved sex. It’s not all about sex, but sex is a very relevant part of it - especially in the young and/or new relationships.

At no point did I say a gay relationship was inherently more sexual. But including it in cartoons is about planting a seed - and I think it is inappropriate and unnecessary at that age.

...but heterosexual is a sexuality also...but there are many portrayals of love and marriage for children within that sexuality...is that wrong also, Brillo...Cinderella and Prince Charming, Aladdin and Jasmine, Robin Hood and Maid Marion, Ariel and Eric...are they all wrong because they portray heterosexual love and marriage so are based on sex..?...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but heterosexual is a sexuality also...but there are many portrayals of love and marriage for children within that sexuality...is that wrong also, Brillo...Cinderella and Prince Charming, Aladdin and Jasmine, Robin Hood and Maid Marion, Ariel and Eric...are they all wrong because they portray heterosexual love and marriage so are based on sex..?...

They don't have bum fun or oral shenanigans and there's only 50% of the semen (a manageable amount) so it's acceptable.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but heterosexual is a sexuality also...but there are many portrayals of love and marriage for children within that sexuality...is that wrong also, Brillo...Cinderella and Prince Charming, Aladdin and Jasmine, Robin Hood and Maid Marion, Ariel and Eric...are they all wrong because they portray heterosexual love and marriage so are based on sex..?...

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

...yeah sorry I should have said inappropriate or not suitable, Brillo...apologies for that...I guess I’m just trying to understand your thought connections in this...I mean I see you have an opinion but there reasons for our opinions, you know reasons why they’re formed...either with experiences or thought processes and connections..?..and I’m just struggling to understand really because I’d like to say...ah yeah, I do see...even if I don’t agree, at least I do understand why your opinion is what it is, you know....?...anyways I don’t want to contribute to any ‘pushed feelings’ ...so I’ll just leave it there...


...I think it’s just that thing for me that some people seem to perceive gay as ‘sex’ but don’t perceive straight as ‘sex’ in the same way, which when you think about it, doesn’t make sense...gay people love, straight people love and so far as young children’s information goes...that’s as far as the story goes...people love in a romantic way, sexuality doesn’t need to be addressed any further...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah sorry I should have said inappropriate or not suitable, Brillo...apologies for that...I guess I’m just trying to understand your thought connections in this...I mean I see you have an opinion but there reasons for our opinions, you know reasons why they’re formed...either with experiences or thought processes and connections..?..and I’m just struggling to understand really because I’d like to say...ah yeah, I do see...even if I don’t agree, at least I do understand why your opinion is what it is, you know....?...anyways I don’t want to contribute to any ‘pushed feelings’ ...so I’ll just leave it there...


...I think it’s just that thing for me that some people seem to perceive gay as ‘sex’ but don’t perceive straight as ‘sex’ in the same way, which when you think about it, doesn’t make sense...gay people love, straight people love and so far as young children’s information goes...that’s as far as the story goes...people love in a romantic way, sexuality doesn’t need to be addressed any further...

Maybe Ammi - I just don’t feel that comfortable with it.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

Secondary school is too late; without positive exposure to same-sex relationships, homophobic rhetoric is commonplace by the start of secondary school.

I don't think you can quite underestimate what kind of impact having positive exposure to LGBT relationships at a young age would have on young LGBT people's lives.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by TomC

Secondary school is too late; without positive exposure to same-sex relationships, homophobic rhetoric is commonplace by the start of secondary school.

I don't think you can quite underestimate what kind of impact having positive exposure to LGBT relationships at a young age would have on young LGBT people's lives.

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

There are several parents in this thread. You can’t blame you discomfort with homosexuality on being a parent, sorry, you just cant.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are several parents in this thread. You can’t blame you discomfort with homosexuality on being a parent, sorry, you just cant.

Put better than I could put it. Ridiculous, why should a parent have a problem?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by TomC

Put better than I could put it. Ridiculous, why should a parent have a problem?

Many do. It isn’t your place to tell them you know better - you don’t.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are several parents in this thread. You can’t blame you discomfort with homosexuality on being a parent, sorry, you just cant.

And those that don’t share the same opinion are entitled to it. There are plenty of parents that don’t. You don’t tell others how to feel!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And those that don’t share the same opinion are entitled to it. There are plenty of parents that don’t. You don’t tell others how to feel!

But that isnt because they are parents, it is because they are homophobic wrecks who, unfortunately for the world, bred.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

[montblanc]

ah just CAN’T

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

..I guess from a parental point of view, Brillo...I would say that you would be a parent that would never ever want your child to feel they were perceived as ‘taboo’ in some way...something that wasn’t suitable for children, for their peers somehow...that some society views would perceive them or their family as ‘not the norm’....so to encourage TV programmes like this that present the realities of love and marriage, could only be a good and progressive thing...any discomfort that a parent might feel is only because of their own ‘conditioning’ from childhood as a perceived ‘norm’...the only way that can change and prevent prejudice is for it to end and for change to happen...changes like this and what we as parents present to our children as the norm....

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

Planting a seed for what exactly? If you're scared kids seeing a gay relationship on TV will somehow determine their sexuality later in life you needn't worry because we'd all be straight with the amount of princes and princesses shoved down our throats at a young age.

It's actually your way of thinking that it's something that's best "suitable" to be discussed later in life that leaves so many LGBT people struggling to accept their sexuality and why so many straight people completely refuse to believe in it because they've been brought up from a young age to only believe heterosexual relationships exist.