[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It might not be taken away or hugely changed within our lifetimes, but mass migration can slowly change a culture, as culture has changed and evolved before. Western culture is better to live in than islamic culture, and I know which I'd rather my descendants get to live in.

But this is the same as people saying 'MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!' and to that I say, how?

It's a minority of muslims that believe Shariah Law should be a thing in the UK. So a minority of a minority in essence. How is their mindset going to take over when the vast majority of the UK opposes it? Does everyone else aside from Extremist muslims stop breeding for a decade or so? Do we just vanish into the ether? It's a senseless and irrational fear brought on by ignorance.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Well I feel a lot better after rereading this thread, your delusions have perked me right up

Do you think the culture across the UK, as it is now, will remain static forever?

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a minority of muslims that believe Shariah Law should be a thing in the UK.

For now, but that could change with mass migration.

[Matthew.]

yeah he can leave...

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you think the culture across the UK, as it is now, will remain static forever?

For now, but that could change with mass migration.

No of course not, other cultures will only help to improve it

But I’m done with this now, dezzy already managed to show that you’re just ignorant and you yourself have just said it COULD change, not that it will, as he said, it’s an irrational fear.

It’s ****ing dumb

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you think the culture across the UK, as it is now, will remain static forever?


For now, but that could change with mass migration.

Again, how? Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. You are painting in broad strokes.

The minority, if anything, will likely shrink in generations to come since newer generations will be and have been raised in a western culture and will only know the freedoms that comes with it.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, how? Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. You are painting in broad strokes.

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.

The minority, if anything, will likely shrink in generations to come since newer generations will be and have been raised in a western culture and will only know the freedoms that comes with it.

Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.



Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

if you did the same survey with people from conservative christian countries would you not get similar results? I mean look at Jamaica gay people are still being heavily prosecuted. A lot of the world still doesn't share our progressive views on homosexuality so blocking people from coming into our country simply based on that.

Like Dezzy said the muslims here are the minority. So far their presence here has had no effect on my life as a gay man in this country and I've not seen anything to suggest they've made any impact on my rights. Also what does homosexuality have to do with British culture wasn't it only 35 years ago when homosexuality was decriminalised across all of Britain and isn't our own prime minister in bed with the DUP a notoriously religious and homophobic party???

Trumps statements suggest that we are already in the process of us loosing our cuture and nobody in this thread has managed to convince me that this is happening. So back to the actual topic. What about British culture has actually been taken away from us by immigrants?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

if you did the same survey with people from conservative christian countries would you not get similar results? I mean look at Jamaica gay people are still being heavily prosecuted. A lot of the world still doesn't share our progressive views on homosexuality so blocking people from coming into our country simply based on that.

Like Dezzy said the muslims here are the minority. So far their presence here has had no effect on my life as a gay man in this country and I've not seen anything to suggest they've made any impact on my rights. Also what does homosexuality have to do with British culture wasn't it only 35 years ago when homosexuality was decriminalised across all of Britain and isn't our own prime minister in bed with the DUP a notoriously religious and homophobic party???

Trumps statements suggest that we are already in the process of us loosing our cuture and nobody in this thread has managed to convince me that this is happening. So back to the actual topic. What about British culture has actually been taken away from us by immigrants?

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

tbh it's always been a problem
My bf and I would never dream of holding hands in public

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

I was going to say similar to this ,just because it hasn't affected you armand,doesn't mean to say it never will or doesn't happen.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.



Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

Blatant changing of the goalposts here.

You couldn't win the argument on the culture side of things so now you're bringing up the LGBT again to try to score points.

As I said before, you could bring as many muslims into the country as you want, as many hardliners as you can fit and it won't affect the culture one bit because they aren't the overwhelming majority. They are outnumbered in the muslim community itself and are miniscule outside of it. All these people acting like Muslims can just Thanos click their fingers and everything that made this country what it is would disappear in an instant are just irrational. They always forget the tens of millions of non muslims that aren't suddenly going to disappear in this scenairio.

It's just illogical ignorance.

As for the LGBT point, ask any religion the same question and you'd get a similar 50/50 split, you cling to that stat so you can hate muslims while ignoring the fact that all religions preach a similar view on homosexuality. A 50/50 religious split hasn't stopped the march to progress in the past and it won't change anything now.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I said before, you could bring as many muslims into the country as you want, as many hardliners as you can fit and it won't affect the culture one bit because they aren't the overwhelming majority. They are outnumbered in the muslim community itself

Do you have a source for this?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you have a source for this?

Ah, the 'SD Special! Losing an argument? Buy time by asking the opposition to do a google search for you!'

If you want to disprove what I'm saying then go ahead and disprove it, be less lazy and research your own damn counter arguments.

I see you ignored my remarks about all religion having a similar 50/50 split in relation to views on LGBT, very telling that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, how? Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. You are painting in broad strokes.

The minority, if anything, will likely shrink in generations to come since newer generations will be and have been raised in a western culture and will only know the freedoms that comes with it.

There are already at least four towns in the country than have a majority non-white population - so how does that tally with your wild claim there are not enough muslims coming into to override the majority.

It isn't just about extremists, though of course the biggest concern, but a very different way of living and thinking as you well know. Your last paragraph is optimistic but by no means a certainty, more hopeful, and if you are wrong life in this country could be very different for future generations who may not be able to enjoy the freedoms we are used to.

Not a situation I want to contribute to.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There are already at least four towns in the country than have a majority non-white population - so how does that tally with your wild claim there are not enough muslims coming into to override the majority.

It isn't just about extremists, though of course the biggest concern, but a very different way of living and thinking as you well know. Your last paragraph is optimistic but by no means a certainty, more hopeful, and if you are wrong life in this country could be very different for future generations who may not be able to enjoy the freedoms we are used to.

Not a situation I want to contribute to.

Well for one,our girls wont be able to dress as they want and will be second class citizens, and used and abused.