[jaxie]

I think the truth is somewhere between all the stories and it's likely children have been taken into care as a matter of course in many illegal immigration cases under different administration's and probably in countries apart from the US.

When adults are arrested they don't usually take their kids to jail with them and if there isn't another adult there to take care of them they probably go into the care of the social services in this country too. Children's homes in the UK aren't fairytale castles with free all you can eat cake and Pepsi either.

It's appalling to see children in those conditions. Are others kept like that and worse, you bet. This all kind of feels like throwing stones at glass houses.

Then we should have a look at all the small children on the streets of India who don't have anyone, where there is a lack of social care at all and it's left to charities to try to pick up the pieces on threadbare budgets. Oh I forgot, we can look away because we can't blame Trump for that one.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the truth is somewhere between all the stories and it's likely children have been taken into care as a matter of course in many illegal immigration cases under different administration's and probably in countries apart from the US.

When adults are arrested they don't usually take their kids to jail with them and if there isn't another adult there to take care of them they probably go into the care of the social services in this country too. Children's homes in the UK aren't fairytale castles with free all you can eat cake and Pepsi either.

It's appalling to see children in those conditions. Are others kept like that and worse, you bet. This all kind of feels like throwing stones at glass houses.

Then we should have a look at all the small children on the streets of India who don't have anyone, where there is a lack of social care at all and it's left to charities to try to pick up the pieces on threadbare budgets. Oh I forgot, we can look away because we can't blame Trump for that one.

Excellent post Jaxie!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the truth is somewhere between all the stories and it's likely children have been taken into care as a matter of course in many illegal immigration cases under different administration's and probably in countries apart from the US.

When adults are arrested they don't usually take their kids to jail with them and if there isn't another adult there to take care of them they probably go into the care of the social services in this country too. Children's homes in the UK aren't fairytale castles with free all you can eat cake and Pepsi either.

It's appalling to see children in those conditions. Are others kept like that and worse, you bet. This all kind of feels like throwing stones at glass houses.

Then we should have a look at all the small children on the streets of India who don't have anyone, where there is a lack of social care at all and it's left to charities to try to pick up the pieces on threadbare budgets. Oh I forgot, we can look away because we can't blame Trump for that one.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the truth is somewhere between all the stories and it's likely children have been taken into care as a matter of course in many illegal immigration cases under different administration's and probably in countries apart from the US.

When adults are arrested they don't usually take their kids to jail with them and if there isn't another adult there to take care of them they probably go into the care of the social services in this country too. Children's homes in the UK aren't fairytale castles with free all you can eat cake and Pepsi either.

It's appalling to see children in those conditions. Are others kept like that and worse, you bet. This all kind of feels like throwing stones at glass houses.

Then we should have a look at all the small children on the streets of India who don't have anyone, where there is a lack of social care at all and it's left to charities to try to pick up the pieces on threadbare budgets. Oh I forgot, we can look away because we can't blame Trump for that one.

Right. The politicians who are blaming Trump for this policy in some cases were aware of what was going on in detentions. So the issue really belongs to our legislators imo. The only reason it became an issue now is because Trump began enforcing our immigration laws as it is on the books. (i.e., criminal prosecution). So while he can set priorities, he's not responsible for how the laws as they are written. It is on Congress to rewrite the laws. It's not even the President's priority, so I wouldn't even blame Obama either.

Schumer rejects GOP proposal to address border crisis
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...-border-crisis

Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Tuesday dismissed a legislative proposal backed by Republican leaders to keep immigrant families together at the border, arguing that President Trump could fix the problem more easily with a flick of his pen.

“There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.”

Asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S. border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.

“Again, the president can change it with his pen,” he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.

“Unacceptable additions have bogged down every piece of legislation we’ve done,” he said.

Schumer’s opposition to a legislative fix means there likely won’t be a quick end to the emotional images of immigrant children being separated from their families unless Trump backs down and reverses his “zero tolerance” policy.

Democrats want to keep the pressure on Trump instead of having Congress assume responsibility for the growing crisis.

Schumer’s position immediately raised speculation over how long Democrats would stick to their position if Trump refuses to change his mind.

“Let’s hope we never get to that. Let’s hope the president does the right thing and solves the problem, which he can do. That’s the simple, easiest and most likely way this will happen,” Schumer said.

Trump claims the burden is on Congress to keep immigrant children from being separated from their parents after 20 days if they are detained by law enforcement.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on Monday told reporters “Congress alone can fix it.”

McConnell on Tuesday sided with the administration and called for legislation.

“I support, and all of the senators of the Republican conference support, a plan that keeps families together,” McConnell told reporters.

“We need to fix the problem and it requires a legislative solution,” he added.

The GOP leadership supports a bill that would require that immigrant families be kept together in a humane setting while waiting for an immigration judge. Furthermore, it would expedite their hearings to minimize their time in detention.

Again, it's no wonder Congress has such an abysmal approval rating... I don't know why we bother electing anyone to it sometimes. Most of the time they just sit around with their fingers up their butt except to go on CNN/Fox News and point fingers.... couldn't be arsed to do a single thing for us to actually alleviate all the issues that are dividing up the country politically. If we had actual compromise again and legislature was actually moving through at a pace that addressed most people's concerns (especially Immigration and the economy...), then there would be no need for at least half the cringe in our politics.

Both parties have been kicking the Immigration ball back and forth even though it's been clear for decades now that Americans really want the system to be reformed and for illegal immigration to at least addressed. It's no accident that this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Edit: Oh and it really pays to harass companies through their Twitter handles... so much easier to get ahold of Retentions now. It used to be you had to find the corporate "executive" customer service phone # hidden somewhere on a bulletin board... now most companies find these "problem accounts" on social media... just complain about the company in a tweet and they'll tweet you in a few minutes asking if they can help.