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18-07-2018, 06:43 AM | #26 | |||
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Quand il pleut, il pleut
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..I might of gone off topic there, sorry if I did...
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18-07-2018, 07:08 AM | #27 | ||
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The problem there Ammi, is that the high profile pro-Brexit Conservative politicians are literally some of the worst people on the planet. Just a horde of smirking, uncaring troglodytes.
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18-07-2018, 07:18 AM | #28 | |||
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...well we didn’t make a choice of having a general election when it happened either...democratic can only answer when it is called to and we all have to go with the majority voice, whether we wanted to or not...the true democratic would be having a vote first on whether we should have a vote or not.....(..if I were PM, you’d all really know the meaning of frustration and slow process..)...
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18-07-2018, 03:31 PM | #29 | |||
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The problem with appeasing or respecting those who didn't get what they wanted in the referendum is you end with a partial EU membership with no say. That isn't the leave that was voted for. Had remain won would people have expected to appease leave by partially leaving the EU? I don't think they would. People like Anna soubry would give a little laugh and say not likely, we voted to remain.
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18-07-2018, 04:14 PM | #30 | |||
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18-07-2018, 06:30 PM | #31 | |||
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...hmmm I do see what you’re saying if it had been a Remain vote majority...I guess the assumption would have been that everything would just remain the same in staying in the EU....that’s what I assumed anyway...but maybe it wouldn’t have been that simple....because the referendum had already been put out there...so that in itself, the very questioning of the EU...may have caused a soft or hard Remain...a reaction from the EU...a kind of this is your punishment, type thing for criticising us, for calling the referendum in the first place....?...so there’s that as well to consider....what would have been the terms of Remain...I mean whichever way the vote flipped...there was always going to be opposition to a soft as oppose to a hard...the negotiations were always going to be gruelling and tough...so the person who led the country was always going to be so important and was always going to have to believe in the thing they were fighting for around those negotiating tables...sadly as we are Brexiting, I have no confidence in Theresa May to be THAT PERSON...it feels a bit of a ‘no win’ for both Remainers and many Brexiters atm... |
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18-07-2018, 11:27 PM | #32 | |||
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I agree at the moment it feels like a no win situation and I don't rhink May is strong enough or committed enough to take us through a successful Brexit. I'd be happy to leave and try to adopt an Canada or Japanese model, whichever was best suited.
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18-07-2018, 11:35 PM | #33 | |||
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There are compelling reasons why leaving is a good idea. It's not just some kind of immigration gripe as some would like to suggest. I couldn't quite believe we won the vote. I would be unhappy if it was overturned. I genuinely believe leaving the EU is a good thing and will be good for this country. We have never really embraced the EU wholeheartedly. We are an independent people.
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