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Originally Posted by Withano
Do you remember the specific bit of research that led you to believe we’re being watched, or can you explain it?
And why dont they like our murderous ways?
Are they interested in the other murderous animals on earth, or just us?
I have so many questions!
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This entire subject is vast and complex but I'll gladly enter a discourse on this subject with you, Withano - if you are interested.
It will take lots of posts but might keep us out of trouble on SD
To start with:
I believe in God and Christ and I also believe that we are NOT the only species which God created in the universe and that some 'Alien' species are much, much older than we are.
Unlike most 'Ancient Alien' proponents, however, who believe that God was 'supertechnological' and not supernatural (God WAS an 'Alien Astronaut', in other words) I believe that the Earth was visited regularly in its distant past at various times by both God and what we term 'Angels', as well as by many of the different Alien species which God created.
Our - relatively - 'primitive' ancestors struggled to make sense of both these types of visitations and could only relate to them within the limited parameters of both their experience and language, in much the same way that a primitive Papua New Guinea native seeing a modern aeroplane in the sky for the first time cannot understand exactly what it is - even if told by some missionary - but does know what a metal speartip is and what a bird is, so this experience becomes; 'Metal bird which flies through the sky'. Or a steam train thundering past a 19th-century Plains Indian in the Old 'Wild West' became; 'Iron Horse'.
I believe that a rich and accurate historical record of ACTUAL occurrences exists today in our Bibles and secular myths and legends, but I also believe that 'Religious' experiences and 'Alien Visitation' experiences have become sometimes confused and some intertwining over thousands of years of oral tradition and subsequent writing down of the same has occurred.
Anyway, back to your question, Withano:
Think about this:
Any civilisation capable of interstellar flight HAS to be both immensely ancient and to have achieved a technology far in advance of ours.
I believe that by the very fact that such a civilisation has survived to evolve to such a stage without destroying themselves and their planet, means that long ago they must have transcended any aggressive and hostile tendencies and war became a thing of the past.
So though I believe that there are diverse Alien civilisations out there, I do not believe that any which have evolved to still be around and to have interstellar flight would be anything like H.G. Well's Martian's in 'War of The Worlds' or Gene Roddenberry's fearsome 'Klingons' but would, instead, be highly advanced beings who were pacifist as a result of evolution.
Now imagine such a 'benign' technologically advanced species who did embark on interstellar flights encountering a planet much like their home-world and inhabited by primitive beings who were much like them in their very distant past - wouldn't they want to help them?
In Clarke's '2001; A Space Oddysey', at the dawn-of-mankind, there are two tribes of 'man-apes'; the dominant, savage, physically-superior tribe led by a battle-scarred warrior-ape called 'One-Eye' and the inferior tribe led by a non-violent ape called 'Moon-Watcher' who had a glimmer of intelligence.
One Eye's tribe controls the water-hole and violently drive Moon-Watcher's tribe away from it whenever they try to drink there.
Then a black Monolith descends from the sky and both tribes flee in panic, but Moon-Watcher hides behind a rock watching the monolith until his curiosity proves greater than his fear and he goes to the monolith and touches it.
Cut to a child-like Moon-Watcher playing with some long-dead animal bones and he picks up a femur then hits it against one of the other bones, and THIS is THE dawn of Mankind, THE very moment that Moon-Watcher realises that this bone is NOT a plaything but an extension of his own puny arm - a WEAPON with which to defeat One-Eye.
Moon-Watcher leads his tribe to the water-hole where One-Eye and his tribe are drinking, a fight ensues and Moon-Watcher clubs One-Eye to death with the femur.
This is Clarke's fictional depiction of how a technologically superior 'Alien' civilisation (the Monolith) gave Man an 'evolutionary leap forward', but I believe that THIS is pretty much what has occurred in our ancient past - that Aliens regularly visited the Earth at different times in its history to give us an 'evolutionary leap forward' by help and instruction.
There are just too many legends of the same theme from all parts of the globe and just too many inexplicable artefacts which do not fit into the 'accepted' historical and archaeological narrative, in addition to all the thousands of colossal stone megaliths in ancient structures around the world which are of a size and weight which would defy the best of our machines to even move today.
Now, just as an electric or gas fire is not created without a guard and Safety Instructions or a motor vehicle without brakes and an Operating Manual by any intelligent designer, NO intellectually and technologically superior alien race is going to hand primitive cultures knowledge without leaving them a 'blueprint' and checking upon just what they are actually doing with this new 'leap-forward' and I believe that this is just why UFO's have been recorded as visiting the Earth for thousands of years right up to the present - they are watching what their 'bastards' are up to.
I do not think that the results of this surveillance will end well for us if we take a different path to our pacifist benefactors as we evolve, and here is why:
I do not recall if it was Erich Von Daniken - the 'Father' of Ancient Astronaut theory himself - who used the following analogy, or one similar, which I have expanded on, but:
Imagine you and your species are living on a hundred beautiful tropical islands where your species has lived for millions of years or more.
You are that highly evolved that you have had no war or crime for tens of millennia, and all the zillion trillions of pounds saved by such abolitions have been invested instead over many thousands of years into medical research, food technology, and longevity, with the result that all disease has been conquered, the ageing process dramatically slowed and food shortages are also a thing of the distant past.
You would - in effect - have Paradise.
Now further imagine that an island 10 nautical miles away from you is inhabited by various creatures; tigers, lions, cheetah's, and - at the bottom of the food chain - a type of primitive ape-like creatures who you are monitoring through a series of powerful telescopes and who are in danger of becoming extinct.
You send over a team to 'educate' these primitive apes - teach them how to use clubs to defend themselves so they can survive.
Time passes and the Ape-likes become TOP of the food chain but are also using their 'gifted' weapons to kill each other.
As more time passes and these Ape-likes evolve, they still kill each other but in greater numbers, first with swords, then guns, until it becomes obvious that these savages are NEVER going to change their homicidal ways.
You may regret helping them to survive, but you are not worried because they are 10 miles from you.
But one day they start to BUILD BOATS.
Would you ALLOW these barbaric, warring maniacs to SPREAD like cancer to all your beautiful peaceful paradise islands?
NO. You will instead use the highly technical weaponry which you have not needed or wanted to use for millennia but still possess, and you will blow the savages and their island to oblivion.
This is why - in my opinion - UFO's have a recorded history of being more active around military installations, Space Centres, Nuclear weapons testing sites, and Nuclear power plants and especially when there have been major escalations in military conflicts around the world.
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