Do short skirts invite sexual harassment? Nicola McLean and Vanessa Feltz debate - Serious Debates & News - ThisisBigBrother.com

reece(: · 14-09-2018, 04:20 PM

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Alf · 14-09-2018, 04:24 PM

Depends how you define sexual harassment?

You're gonna get stirred at by a man, almost certainly.

LeatherTrumpet · 14-09-2018, 04:35 PM

Sometimes the problem is that girls who dress in a very revealing way want the attention of men

but only the men they like

sadly, life does not work that way

Elliot · 14-09-2018, 04:35 PM

They both agree they’re just debating a different argument lol

Withano · 14-09-2018, 04:39 PM

I dont think ‘invite’ is the right word to use. Provoke perhaps, which is depressing... I cba to watch the video though, their voices wont be good for my head right now.

Marsh. · 14-09-2018, 04:46 PM

The debate is a little muddled.

They keep dipping back to schoolgirl examples.

I imagine it's a very different discussion, parents talking about what they allow their daughter's to go out dressed in and grown women.

Marsh. · 14-09-2018, 04:50 PM

"The boys aren't told their shorts have to be a certain length"

How likely is it that, in this day and age, boys would wear shorts which reveal what they had for breakfast that morning?

armand.kay · 14-09-2018, 05:17 PM

I doubt the length of the skirt matters to someone willing to sexually assault a school girl.

arista · 14-09-2018, 06:15 PM

Some School Girls make the skirts even shorter
thats wrong.

armand.kay · 14-09-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Some School Girls make the skirts even shorter
thats wrong.

Some grown men lust over/cat call school girls. Thats wrong.

jaxie · 14-09-2018, 11:16 PM

Nothing you wear should invite harrassment. Even walking down the road naked is not an invitation.

armand.kay · 14-09-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

Nothing you wear should invite harrassment. Even walking down the road naked is not an invitation.

Yeah this narrative that men just cant help themselves is just a mess and should be insulting both to women and men who can go through life without sexually harassing someone

Elliot · 14-09-2018, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by armand.kay

Yeah this narrative that men just cant help themselves is just a mess and should be insulting both to women and men who can go through life without sexually harassing someone

It’s just calling things what they are. It’d be like saying telling people to prevent themselves from burglary or murder is stupid because people should just stop doing those things. Like ya that’d be great but that’s not reality

Tom4784 · 15-09-2018, 12:11 AM

A woman could walk down the street naked, doesn't mean she invites the attention of men seeking to blame her for their actions. It's just victim blaming and just another way of vindicating the man while demonising the woman.

GoldHeart · 15-09-2018, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

A woman could walk down the street naked, doesn't mean she invites the attention of men seeking to blame her for their actions. It's just victim blaming and just another way of vindicating the man while demonising the woman.

Why is this example always used in an argument!! i know we're not meant to take it literally but it's such a ridiculous example

, if you walk down the street naked you can't expect NOT TO BE NOTICED . So prepare for EVERYONE to look and you will get arrested for indecent exposure and you will probably get people laughing and filming it on their mobiles and other negative reactions.

But back to the topic of length of skirt , when people wear revealing clothes they will get a reaction that's what happens . BUT it doesn't mean it's OK for perverts to assault them.

Tom4784 · 15-09-2018, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Why is this example always used in an argument!! i know we're not meant to take it literally but it's such a ridiculous example

, if you walk down the street naked you can't expect NOT TO BE NOTICED . So prepare for EVERYONE to look and you will get arrested for indecent exposure and you will probably get people laughing and filming it on their mobiles and other negative reactions.

But back to the topic of length of skirt , when people wear revealing clothes they will get a reaction that's what happens . BUT it doesn't mean it's OK for perverts to assault them.

....

The whole point is that what a woman chooses to wear is too often used as justification for rape and harassment. A woman could wear a belt for a skirt, it's not permission for a man to do what they want with her.

You're looking into it too literally.

smudgie · 15-09-2018, 05:41 PM

You should be able to wear whatever you like.
School skirts should be a reasonable length so as not to distract the boys.

I always wore mine a good inch below my backside.

user17866 · 16-09-2018, 06:26 AM

...all of what Vanessa is saying is just...well, really disappointing...she talked about what her daughters should wear only while they were with parents but not when they were out without parents and out with friends...but that’s not the ‘real’ world, that’s creating something that shouldn’t ever have to be created for a female because of what she chooses to wear...when she said about her friend and his driving her and the school bus situation with the ‘long legs’ which had apparently caught his attention so much, so that he turned his head right around in a double take thing..?...all of her focus was on what the school girl was wearing, which in her opinion wasn’t in some way ‘appropriate’...that was the feeling of her own judgement, what she’s determined..?...but the school had obviously felt that theclothing was appropriate for leaving school in ..(...maybe the girl had PE as the last lesson and no time to change for her bus home as is sometimes the way..)...so a school child can’t even be wearing PE clothing without it being some sort of ‘temptation’ or distraction to a poor guy like her friend..?..that’s really terribly concerning if that’s the case and if that school child is going to be seen as some type of sexual object...and why didn’t she question him, rather than look at what the young girl was wearing and saying what long legs she had and how tightly fitting she had judged the girl’s shorts to be...(...which I presume the shorts were fine with the school..)...why didn’t she say to him...why did you turn your head in that way and stare at a school girl getting off her school bus because that’s a little bit creepy tbh and just really not appropriate at all..she’s a child and I have daughters myself...?...why didn’t she say that to him at the time, rather than only comment about the girl and her legs and her shorts....?...

14-09-2018, 04:39 PM	#5
Withano Withano Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,702 Favourites (more): BB19: Cameron CBB22: Kirstie Alley CBB21: Shane Jenek CBB20: Helen Lederer Total Awards: 3	I dont think ‘invite’ is the right word to use. Provoke perhaps, which is depressing... I cba to watch the video though, their voices wont be good for my head right now. __________________

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armand.kay baddie Join Date: May 2011 Location: purgatory Posts: 24,052 Favourites (more): Survivor 40: Michele CBB22: Natalie Nunn Love Island 4: Adam BB18: Chanelle Total Awards: 2	I doubt the length of the skirt matters to someone willing to sexually assault a school girl. __________________ ☾✩✹

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jaxie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: UK Posts: 7,038 Favourites: CBB14: Gary CBB 13: Ollie Locke	Nothing you wear should invite harrassment. Even walking down the road naked is not an invitation. __________________ In ancient times cats were worshipped as gods; they have not forgotten this. Terry Pratchett “I am thrilled to be alive at time when humanity is pushing against the limits of understanding. Even better, we may eventually discover that there are no limits.” ― Richard Dawkins

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14-09-2018, 04:24 PM	#2
Alf Sod orf Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wapping Posts: 32,386 Total Awards: 3	Depends how you define sexual harassment? You're gonna get stirred at by a man, almost certainly.

14-09-2018, 04:35 PM	#3
LeatherTrumpet I am the LAW Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 86,928 Total Awards: 12	Sometimes the problem is that girls who dress in a very revealing way want the attention of men but only the men they like sadly, life does not work that way

14-09-2018, 04:35 PM	#4
Elliot Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 7,605 Favourites (more): Love Island 5: Amber IAC2018: Fleur East BB18: Isabelle CBB17: Gemma Collins	They both agree they’re just debating a different argument lol

14-09-2018, 04:46 PM	#6
Marsh. Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79,998 Total Awards: 10	The debate is a little muddled. They keep dipping back to schoolgirl examples. I imagine it's a very different discussion, parents talking about what they allow their daughter's to go out dressed in and grown women.

14-09-2018, 04:50 PM	#7
Marsh. Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79,998 Total Awards: 10	"The boys aren't told their shorts have to be a certain length" How likely is it that, in this day and age, boys would wear shorts which reveal what they had for breakfast that morning?

14-09-2018, 06:15 PM	#9
arista Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 152,757	Some School Girls make the skirts even shorter thats wrong.

15-09-2018, 12:11 AM	#14
Tom4784 Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 45,097	A woman could walk down the street naked, doesn't mean she invites the attention of men seeking to blame her for their actions. It's just victim blaming and just another way of vindicating the man while demonising the woman.

15-09-2018, 05:41 PM	#17
smudgie Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: God's own Country Posts: 22,622 Favourites: BB18: Raph X Factor 2013: Abi Alton Total Awards: 3	You should be able to wear whatever you like. School skirts should be a reasonable length so as not to distract the boys. I always wore mine a good inch below my backside.

16-09-2018, 06:26 AM	#18
user17866 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 57,452 Total Awards: 16	...all of what Vanessa is saying is just...well, really disappointing...she talked about what her daughters should wear only while they were with parents but not when they were out without parents and out with friends...but that’s not the ‘real’ world, that’s creating something that shouldn’t ever have to be created for a female because of what she chooses to wear...when she said about her friend and his driving her and the school bus situation with the ‘long legs’ which had apparently caught his attention so much, so that he turned his head right around in a double take thing..?...all of her focus was on what the school girl was wearing, which in her opinion wasn’t in some way ‘appropriate’...that was the feeling of her own judgement, what she’s determined..?...but the school had obviously felt that theclothing was appropriate for leaving school in ..(...maybe the girl had PE as the last lesson and no time to change for her bus home as is sometimes the way..)...so a school child can’t even be wearing PE clothing without it being some sort of ‘temptation’ or distraction to a poor guy like her friend..?..that’s really terribly concerning if that’s the case and if that school child is going to be seen as some type of sexual object...and why didn’t she question him, rather than look at what the young girl was wearing and saying what long legs she had and how tightly fitting she had judged the girl’s shorts to be...(...which I presume the shorts were fine with the school..)...why didn’t she say to him...why did you turn your head in that way and stare at a school girl getting off her school bus because that’s a little bit creepy tbh and just really not appropriate at all..she’s a child and I have daughters myself...?...why didn’t she say that to him at the time, rather than only comment about the girl and her legs and her shorts....?...