[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Robodog

The big difference is between equal opportunities (yay) and equality of outcome (boo) :

Feminism used to be about fighting for equal opportunities and removing barriers that prevented women from attaining top spots. Now that has been achieved (eg - female prime minister, head of met police, CEOs etc), feminism has since morphed into demand for equality of outcome.

Equal opportunities means everyone competes on a level playing-field, and the best people rise to the top, based on individual efforts and merit - regardless of their gender (or any other social category).

This is freedom.

Equality of outcome means judging people according to gender (or any other social 'group') and then forcing equal representation. This means people getting jobs based on 'box-ticking' and can even result in people not getting jobs simply because if their 'social category' is already 'over-represented'.

This is social engineering.


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Example : Presenter Jon Holmes being sacked from the BBC due to his skin colour -

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ow-show-sacked


QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE: “If we are now openly giving jobs to people based on the colour of their skin, surely that is only emphasising just the kind of social division that the equality that I was brought up to embrace strives to eliminate?” he writes.

“So what if – and I know this is radical – but what if everything and every job in all walks of life was open to everyone equally, and we all just agree that everyone’s the same, by which I mean – you know – ‘human’?”

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I think the argument is there are societal barriers that even with the equal opportunity would never be fufilled by certain groups. Like for example the situation in America for a lot of black communities, where a lot of these communities are unable to break through economically, and it is believed to be because of systemic and socialtal prejudice and barriers. It’s an involved debate but I think the baseline idea is that equal oppurntity isn’t justice to these groups