[James]

I thought it was fine, a 7 out of 10.

I feel the Internet hype and clickbait culture has let it down - many film critics have gone into it thinking it is politically dangerous, which it isn't - if any viewer finds the main character to be inspirational then they are as deluded as him. Many comic-book fans have gone in expecting a all-time great film.

It is basically a story of a very damaged man, that loses complete touch with reality, loses empathy, and does terrible things to others. It is a fairly slight story really, although I think the plot works quite well.

When you compare it to the films it emulates - like Taxi Driver - I don't think it is as good as those. Taxi Driver was more powerful because in that film Travis Bickle is an almost ordinary man that takes extreme actions, whereas Arthur in Joker is mentally ill from the start.

Thinking about it later an idea I took out of it was how mobs and revolutionaries can too easily come to believe a person represents something that person really isn't.

Spoiler:

When Arthur kills the three wealthy men on the train, it is in self-defence (although that is borderline) and because of his previous treatment. The press, however, reports that they got killed because they are rich, which contributes to the crowds starting to treat the clown figure as a hero. Which is totally wrong of course because he doesn't have any political view or philosophy and is actually a psychopath.

Another thing I thought when watching was the trailers showed a lot of the film, without giving away the plot necessarily.

A lot of it is well done - like the last 30 minutes is very tense. It certainly stayed in my mind for a while after watching it.

Oh, and by the way, there was one song-choice I was quite taken aback to hear used - it's as if the film-makers didn't know what they were using there.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by James

I thought it was fine, a 7 out of 10.

I feel the Internet hype and clickbait culture has let it down - many film critics have gone into it thinking it is politically dangerous, which it isn't - if any viewer finds the main character to be inspirational then they are as deluded as him. Many comic-book fans have gone in expecting a all-time great film.

It is basically a story of a very damaged man, that loses complete touch with reality, loses empathy, and does terrible things to others. It is a fairly slight story really, although I think the plot works quite well.

When you compare it to the films it emulates - like Taxi Driver - I don't think it is as good as those. Taxi Driver was more powerful because in that film Travis Bickle is an almost ordinary man that takes extreme actions, whereas Arthur in Joker is mentally ill from the start.

Thinking about it later an idea I took out of it was how mobs and revolutionaries can too easily come to believe a person represents something that person really isn't.

Spoiler:

When Arthur kills the three wealthy men on the train, it is in self-defence (although that is borderline) and because of his previous treatment. The press, however, reports that they got killed because they are rich, which contributes to the crowds starting to treat the clown figure as a hero. Which is totally wrong of course because he doesn't have any political view or philosophy and is actually a psychopath.

Another thing I thought when watching was the trailers showed a lot of the film, without giving away the plot necessarily.

A lot of it is well done - like the last 30 minutes is very tense. It certainly stayed in my mind for a while after watching it.

Oh, and by the way, there was one song-choice I was quite taken aback to hear used - it's as if the film-makers didn't know what they were using there.

Political dangerous Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

[James]

Originally Posted by Alf

Political dangerous Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

There were news stories about how it would inspire 'incels' to violence.

The film isn't like that at all though. Having watched that documentary that was posted on here, there's only one very small part of the film that those people could take something from.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Political dangerous Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

A lot of Americans seem to think it will inspire another aurora type situation. But..thats a bad way to think really as it is shifting the blame from the psycho onto a film.

[arista]

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a2...-glitter-song/

Joker's use of a Gary Glitter song
has been heavily criticised


[And, viewers have now been left deeply unimpressed with
the use of Glitter's 1972 'Rock and Roll Part 2' in one scene.]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a2...-glitter-song/

Joker's use of a Gary Glitter song
has been heavily criticised

Don't agree with that, the song didn't commit the crime. I like the film Chinatown, and I'm not gonna stop liking it just because it's a Roman Polanski film. I can dislike Polanski the person for his crimes, but it doesn't mean I have to miss out on his films.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Don't agree with that, the song didn't commit the crime. I like the film Chinatown, and I'm not gonna stop liking it just because it's a Roman Polanski film. I can dislike Polanski the person for his crimes, but it doesn't mean I have to miss out on his films.

Polanski
made Chinatown
10 Out Of 10 Film

Before they banned him.

And Played the Nasty Fella with a Knife

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a2...-glitter-song/

Joker's use of a Gary Glitter song
has been heavily criticised


[And, viewers have now been left deeply unimpressed with
the use of Glitter's 1972 'Rock and Roll Part 2' in one scene.]

...I read that earlier...the earnings from soundtrack songs vary a huge amount and Gary Glitter has no star or celebrity ‘power’ at all...so I’m thinking he’ll only earn a very minimal amount from the song being used...

[arista]

Youtube video

Song
Rock & Roll Part 2
Artist
Gary Glitter
Album
Rock 'N' Roll (Pt. II)
Writers
Gary Glitter, Mike Leander
Licensed to YouTube by
The Orchard Music (on behalf of Snapper Music);
UMPG Publishing,
LatinAutor, UNIAO BRASILEIRA DE EDITORAS DE MUSICA
- UBEM, ASCAP, CMRRA, BMI - Broadcast Music Inc.,
LatinAutor - UMPG, BMG Rights Management,
UMPI, and 8 music rights societies

[Tony Montana]

Watched this last night and holy ****! Not only is this the best film of the year, it's a strong contender for best film of the decade, as well as the greatest comic book film of all time.

Everything about this film was perfect and Joaquin's performance is simply out of this world! He better win an Oscar.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Watched this last night and holy ****! Not only is this the best film of the year, it's a strong contender for best film of the decade, as well as the greatest comic book film of all time.

Everything about this film was perfect and Joaquin's performance is simply out of this world! He better win an Oscar.

Better than Avengers End Game?

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Alf

Better than Avengers End Game?

Easily better imo.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Better than Avengers End Game?

Not difficult to be better than that bloated and overrated fan-wank.

[Jordan.]

This was so so GOOD, I wanna see it again.

[Marsh.]

So glad this is good though. Going to see it on Friday.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So glad this is good though. Going to see it on Friday.

I'm just about to watch it. A late night screening

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So glad this is good though. Going to see it on Friday.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm just about to watch it. A late night screening

Hope you both enjoy it!

[Tony Montana]

To answer Marc's question on the previous page which contains a minor spoiler.

Spoiler:

I don't think he killed her. At that point in the movie, he had a moral compass, I don't think he'd have killed a decent person like Sophie. He allowed Gary to live, so clearly he had some sense of compassion left for decent people.

[Beastie]

It was okay. Phoenix played a good joker but I was expecting more from the film. Wasn't dark or twisted enough for me

[Vanessa]

Wow, that was amazing! I really enjoyed it.
Joaquin phoenix was just incredible. What a performance! That's some of the best acting I've ever seen.

[Vanessa]

So teh movie is really well made. It captures the feel of Gotham city perfectly.
But the best thing in it is Joaquin Phoenix. He really takes you on a journey in this. Towards the end I was feeling really unsettled.

[Niamh.]

Going to see it tonight

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Going to see it tonight

Hope you enjoy it. If you like Joaquin Phoenix, you're going to love this!

[Vanessa]

Didn't know Robert de Niro was in it. That's the cherry on top. He's always fantastic.

[Alf]

I'll wait for the dvd. I'm in no rush to see it.