[Redway]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

It's not really my job to tell people what is and what isn't ethical but a lot of people really don't know what goes into getting their food to them and It's my opinion that if more people were 100% aware they would at least consider cutting down on the amount they consume.

Also whether you drink milk or not theres no arguing that drinking another animals milk isn't very natural seeing as nature intended for that milk to go to their babies. Theres a reason so many people are lactose intolerant.

If you said it like that from the first it would’ve been calm but you were acting like a standard villitsnt vegan nearer the top of the thread. I accept your point.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Redway

I know you probably don’t even know what this thread’s about but just chose to react to anything involving me being countered so you’re not bothering me kid.

Well that very big headed of you I only came in here because I saw sexy niamh ok grandad

[Vicky.]

Of course the milking industry is unethical really. I don't know too much about it but I presume that the cows have to be pregnant near constantly..as I would think thats the only way they would keep producing milk? IDK. I don't really think about all of this that much. But in these kinds of arguments usually it comes up that if we had to kill our own animals we would not eat meat. I must be rare in that because I wouldn't have an issue with that and really, the meat would be MUCH tastier if completely fresh.

I would rather the animals have a decent life, but I am not going to pretend that I stress and that over it all. Meat tastes nice, I am addicted to tea so I need milk also, and I don't feel guilty about it

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Redway

If you said it like that from the first it would’ve been calm but you were acting like a standard villitsnt vegan nearer the top of the thread. I accept your point.

So you was wrong

[Redway]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I really have no clue what you're saying, so be frank or don't bring it up at all. I don't think you understand how annoying it is trying to engage in a discussion over the internet, with someone who constantly expects you to read between the lines.

Show me where I disrespected anyone for eating meat?

“oop forgot the circle of life involved being locked up in a disgusting warehouse until you're fat enough to kill.

or being dragged away from your mother and sold off for veil because they need her milk for their frosted flakes.”

What other inference can anyone draw from that than you having a go at meat eaters? Or was that not supposed to be taken literally?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by michael21

So you was wrong

That’s it kid. I’m about to make a life-altering decision about food all because I accept someone’s point on the Internet.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Redway

That’s it kid. I’m about to make a life-altering decision about food all because I accept someone’s point on the Internet.

Yea you love being wrong dont you

[Redway]

I don’t think you understand sarcasm.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Redway

“oop forgot the circle of life involved being locked up in a disgusting warehouse until you're fat enough to kill.

or being dragged away from your mother and sold off for veil because they need her milk for their frosted flakes.”

What other inference can anyone draw from that than you having a go at meat eaters? Or was that not supposed to be taken literally?

I was having a go at the implication that factory farming is at all natural or part of the cirle of life. If you took that as me comming for meat eatsrs then thats your problem because I didn't say anything about people who eat meat. My comments were on the industries that produces meat.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think you understand sarcasm.

But you understand being wrong don't you redwrong

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course the milking industry is unethical really. I don't know too much about it but I presume that the cows have to be pregnant near constantly..as I would think thats the only way they would keep producing milk? IDK. I don't really think about all of this that much. But in these kinds of arguments usually it comes up that if we had to kill our own animals we would not eat meat. I must be rare in that because I wouldn't have an issue with that and really, the meat would be MUCH tastier if completely fresh.

I would rather the animals have a decent life, but I am not going to pretend that I stress and that over it all. Meat tastes nice, I am addicted to tea so I need milk also, and I don't feel guilty about it

Exactly. That's reality and you accept that. People pretending it's all rosie and nice is either disingenuous or ignorant is all I'm saying.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

When did I say meet eaters beam with pride? I was just pointing out the messy propaganda on a lot of meat and dairy products that make out the cows and farm animals are just having a blast on their lil farm.

Discussing "more humane" than others isn't about a fairytale land where animals are all living lovely lives.

Your idea that not eating animals results in some utopia where the animals wander off into a beautiful life, however, is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Also theres literally posts in here saying they would rather die then eat meat

I agree that's silly.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I wonder why they don’t advertise their way of living.. must be because their lifestyle is healthy, good for the enviroment, good for animals

Really? You don't advertise? Could've fooled me, I feel like you've said this in every ad break thus far.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Theres a reason so many people are lactose intolerant.

You could hold up examples of people intolerant to literally every source of food on the planet. That is not proof of anything.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by michael21

But you understand being wrong don't you redwrong

You do choose your times to type coherent sentences don't you, lad?

[Maru]

I feel like religious conversion would be easier than arguing with most anyone who is a vegetarian/vegan...

[TomC]

i respect other reasons like health for example but i genuinely think people have a staggering misunderstanding of agriculture sometimes.

cattle do generally remain outdoors much of the time as it is better for their health which is obviously in farmers' interest, and cows in agriculture also get medically treated to the highest of standards where necessary.

there isn't a situation where cows roam free on the own. modern cattle would literally die in the wild without agriculture.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Discussing "more humane" than others isn't about a fairytale land where animals are all living lovely lives.

Your idea that not eating animals results in some utopia where the animals wander off into a beautiful life, however, is ridiculous.

Point me to where I sudgested that everyone should be vegan? I even sudgested to someone in here that they should cut down on meat and use the money they save on better quality, more ethically/locally sourced meat. I was never talking about more humane. When I broght up the fairy tale land I was talking about the meet and dairy industry use as propaganda e.g The Laughing Cow etc

[Maru]

I had my physical done recently and for the first time they asked me if I was a practicing vegan or vegetarian. I was like "No". So my nurse was like "Oh, good". Me and the husband were like "hmmmm".

I don't think I've ever been asked in regular life that much, but I know some who do practice it. None of them try to force it, but they try to say "Hey you know, we can get by fine so you probably can..."... but I know better than to try to counter-argue, because people are quite passionate about that lifestyle so...

Stubbornness can be either be a really great quality or bad one in a person... it just depends on how they handle that. I tend to think of it is a positive.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Point me to where I sudgested that everyone should be vegan? I even sudgested to someone in here that they should cut down on meat and use the money they save on better quality, more ethically/locally sourced meat. I was never talking about more humane. When I broght up the fairy tale land I was talking about the meet and dairy industry use as propaganda e.g The Laughing Cow etc

I never said you did, maybe you misunderstood what I posted.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Maru

I had my physical done recently and for the first time they asked me if I was a practicing vegan or vegetarian. I was like "No". So my nurse was like "Oh, good". Me and the husband were like "hmmmm".

I don't think I've ever been asked in regular life that much, but I know some who do practice it. None of them try to force it, but they try to say "Hey you know, we can get by fine so you probably can..."... but I know better than to try to counter-argue, because people are quite passionate about that lifestyle so...

Stubbornness can be either be a really great quality or bad one in a person... it just depends on how they handle that. I tend to think of it is a positive.

This Twat makes Vegans look mentally insane

Youtube video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Redway

I know that you know what I’m saying deep down so I’m not even going there.

You’re allowed your lifestyle but you should have as much respect for carnivores as you expect them to have for you. That’s the crux of it.

..I have to say Redway that I sadly often find it the opposite of what you say is your experiences...?...and we can only go by our own personal experiences...I don’t eat meat myself and haven’t for many years..everyone knows I don’t and yet occasionally...(..and it is only occasionally and in a lighthearted way I will say..)...I’m still asked...why don’t you eat meat, how could you not want to eat bacon or try a steak or whatever...just similar things to that...it’s not something I find tedious or annoying in any way because it’s not that often that it happens...but just why, really...why ask, why question, why comment...why not just accept as it has no bearing on what anyone else has chosen in their lifestyle...?...so it doesn’t always feel that you are ‘allowed’ your lifestyle and food choices, without being questioned and then questioned again...and still not understood or accepted...?...so I can see for some people how that would provoke a defensiveness, which can lead to this type of discussion being a little ‘heated’...

...and here in the old 2018 with so many people choosing a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle..?...there is still not a great variety of options available in restaurants...the vegetarian and vegan choices are quite limited in comparison to meat eating choices, does that show an equal respect..?...and in some cases the choices are all quite ‘samey’ and uninventive...I went somewhere quite recently and there was a huge choice on the main menu...but for me..?...the only choice really was pasta..and I’m not hugely fond of pasta...so I don’t feel that vegetarianism or veganism is always respected or catered for that much to be honest...I mean I totally respect that people eat meat and always will but more and more people are choosing not to and it has to be a two way thing...there is a lot more choice than there used to be and it is becoming less questioned or commented on...but there is still a way to go for me, considering it’s 2018 and there shouldn’t be a way to go ...yeah vegetarianism and veganism should be allowed their lifestyle...they should be allowed their lifestyle without comment or jokes or whatever but sadly that allowance sometimes isn’t there and carries on persisting in making jibes etc...

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said you did, maybe you misunderstood what I posted.

so then what did you mean?

[Ammi]

...ironically..it’s processed meat which is given to children in school meals ...which have been deemed to be ‘balanced’ in their nutritional content...and it’s the cheapest processed meat as well..the lowest quality of the lowest quality, type thing...after they’ve eaten that potentially toxic meat, would the government think it’s okay to finish the meal off with a nice cigarette for each one...an after meal smoke..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Meat is disgusting, we don't need it, if people like it they should have it in moderation, like alcohol.

Its Not disgusting
at all.