[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Wrong. She walked out to make Lewis look bad. Nothing to do with Cameron.

Notice how Cameron still makes it about himself though

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Notice how Cameron still makes it about himself though .

I don't think she was bothered about Cameron at all. The problem was between her and Lewis. But Cameron can't see it

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think she was bothered about Cameron at all. The problem was between her and Lewis. But Cameron can't see it

Cameron is an idiot

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think she was bothered about Cameron at all. The problem was between her and Lewis. But Cameron can't see it

I mostly agree.
Cameron did have an issue with her 2 nights ago when they had a sort of one sided debate again from Kay , not letting him answer.

However, I think her leaving is more is more to do with leaving a problem for Lewis F behind.
Done to make him look bad just after their new awkward chat just before it.

Her reason for leaving is she was up for eviction and seeing who she was up with, she knew she'd near for certain be kicked out by the public.

The sooner not only Cameron and Lewis F grasp that as the more likely reason, along with the other housemates too, the better.

Kay is a nightmare, I ended up seeing nothing nice really as to her whatsoever and up to to point of her going, she had near all, bar a couple, of all other housemates moaning about her.
Good riddance to her.

Her place in the house robbed another person of that place, who would have likely been far more worthy of it than her.

[Vanessa]

Hopefully Lewis and Cameron will stay. If not, there's always Akeem to bring thomas down.

[Rob!]

I mean I think the main issue here is that they’re perpetuating each other’s paranoia. Cameron being so close to Lewis, especially as he’s drifting away from Tomasz, means that any seeds Lewis plants in his head are going to grow ridiculously quickly.

[Ammi]

..Cameron is playing a cool game as he’s always been a ‘misfit’ plus always been a non misfit as well...he slips under the radar a lot, I think with his tactics...because he does get involved as well in direct confrontations...Lewis overthinks and is paranoid so is becoming harder and harder to live with...but I don’t think he’s particularly nasty in character in any way...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Cameron is playing a cool game as he’s always been a ‘misfit’ plus always been a non misfit as well...he slips under the radar a lot, I think with his tactics...because he does get involved as well in direct confrontations...Lewis overthinks and is paranoid so is becoming harder and harder to live with...but I don’t think he’s particularly nasty in character in any way...

Lewis needs to let it go and move on. I hate how he can't let go of the arguments

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Cameron is playing a cool game as he’s always been a ‘misfit’ plus always been a non misfit as well...he slips under the radar a lot, I think with his tactics...because he does get involved as well in direct confrontations...Lewis overthinks and is paranoid so is becoming harder and harder to live with...but I don’t think he’s particularly nasty in character in any way...

Yes. For all hia faults, i think Lewis is very straight talking. He isn't sneaky in any way. So he won't like it when people throw their friends under a bus to benefit themselves.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I mostly agree.
Cameron did have an issue with her 2 nights ago when they had a sort of one sided debate again from Kay , not letting him answer.

However, I think her leaving is more is more to do with leaving a problem for Lewis F behind.
Done to make him look bad just after their new awkward chat just before it.

Her reason for leaving is she was up for eviction and seeing who she was up with, she knew she'd near for certain be kicked out by the public.

The sooner not only Cameron and Lewis F grasp that as the more likely reason, along with the other housemates too, the better.

Kay is a nightmare, I ended up seeing nothing nice really as to her whatsoever and up to to point of her going, she had near all, bar a couple, of all other housemates moaning about her.
Good riddance to her.

Her place in the house robbed another person of that place, who would have likely been far more worthy of it than her.

Yes I agree totally

Kay did speak in the plural when she said there were others in the house whom she didn't get along with, she was so pleased to stick her knife in but as she walked she shouldn't have been given the chance to say anything at all.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yes I agree totally

Kay did speak in the plural when she said there were others in the house whom she didn't get along with, she was so pleased to stick her knife in but as she walked she shouldn't have been given the chance to say anything at all.

I agree too, she should have just been told goodbye and exited.
Her false, in my view, drawn out leaving time with the other housemates was nauseating.
As a walker she shouldn't have been able to insist on packing her own case either.
Someone, as in all other cases, should have been designated to do it.
All her false drama played to.

I was even more annoyed she got interviewed on bbbots too.
For goodness sake, they should have just let the pathetic moaner go.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree too, she should have just been told goodbye and exited.
Her false, in my view, drawn out leaving time with the other housemates was nauseating.
As a walker she shouldn't have been able to insist on packing her own case either.
Someone, as in all other cases, should have been designated to do it.
All her false drama played to.

I was even more annoyed she got interviewed on bbbots too.
For goodness sake, they should have just let the pathetic moaner go.

I don't understand why on earth she wasn't treated like any other walker, as you say. This treatment of her, and her interview on BOTS last night, where she stated she was in the industry, made me feel as if special treatment had been demanded and negotiated for her by agents.

Her BOTS interview made it clear she was in there to promote the vegan cause, which is fair enough, but she seemed to be suggesting that she didn't want to be part of any discussions about her personally whilst in the house. Wrong show, and not a well thought through decision.

It was also clear on BOTS that she was concerned about how she might be coming across to the public. I think she realised that less pleasant parts of her personality were emerging, and leaving was damage limitation, and avoidance of the reception she feared she might get on eviction.

It hasn't made me change my views on her. Lewis F is too intense, and won't let things go, and the way he behaved during their discussion was out of order, but I think their personalities are very similar, but she is just more subtle in her approach, in keeping a kindly smile on her face and by controlling the tone and volume of her voice. Skills learnt as an actress?

She has definitely made some comments aimed at putting down and provoking others, and the night before, she started and wouldn't let go of an argument when she should have done. To me, she was much more calculating and manipulative than she claims to me. She was clever enough to say what she said in the diary room, and then reappear in her nicey, nicey, sugary sweet actress persona, aimed at presenting herself as the lovely, reasonable, caring personality she wants to portray.

I think she and Lewis are very complex characters and that neither are as black and white as suggested. I feel that, underneath the surface, Cameron is actually an insecure and confused boy, rather than a malicious individual. All of them have their faults.

As regards to Cameron's opinion, I do agree though that the way Kay chose to leave and the personality traits she has shown, suggest she was trying to portray herself in the best light, whilst making Lewis and Cameron look as bad as possible. Just my opinion.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don't understand why on earth she wasn't treated like any other walker, as you say. This treatment of her, and her interview on BOTS last night, where she stated she was in the industry, made me feel as if special treatment had been demanded and negotiated for her by agents.

Her BOTS interview made it clear she was in there to promote the vegan cause, which is fair enough, but she seemed to be suggesting that she didn't want to be part of any discussions about her personally whilst in the house. Wrong show, and not a well thought through decision.

It was also clear on BOTS that she was concerned about how she might be coming across to the public. I think she realised that less pleasant parts of her personality were emerging, and leaving was damage limitation, and avoidance of the reception she feared she might get on eviction.



It hasn't made me change my views on her. Lewis F is too intense, and won't let things go, and the way he behaved during their discussion was out of order, but I think their personalities are very similar, but she is just more subtle in her approach, in keeping a kindly smile on her face and by controlling the tone and volume of her voice. Skills learnt as an actress?

She has definitely made some comments aimed at putting down and provoking others, and the night before, she started and wouldn't let go of an argument when she should have done. To me, she was much more calculating and manipulative than she claims to me. She was clever enough to say what she said in the diary room, and then reappear in her nicey, nicey, sugary sweet actress persona, aimed at presenting herself as the lovely, reasonable, caring personality she wants to portray.

I think she and Lewis are very complex characters and that neither are as black and white as suggested. I feel that, underneath the surface, Cameron is actually an insecure and confused boy, rather than a malicious individual. All of them have their faults.

As regards to Cameron's opinion, I do agree though that the way Kay chose to leave and the personality traits she has shown, suggest she was trying to portray herself in the best light, whilst making Lewis and Cameron look as bad as possible. Just my opinion.

Yes, a sensible analysis which I agree with.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don't understand why on earth she wasn't treated like any other walker, as you say. This treatment of her, and her interview on BOTS last night, where she stated she was in the industry, made me feel as if special treatment had been demanded and negotiated for her by agents.

Her BOTS interview made it clear she was in there to promote the vegan cause, which is fair enough, but she seemed to be suggesting that she didn't want to be part of any discussions about her personally whilst in the house. Wrong show, and not a well thought through decision.

It was also clear on BOTS that she was concerned about how she might be coming across to the public. I think she realised that less pleasant parts of her personality were emerging, and leaving was damage limitation, and avoidance of the reception she feared she might get on eviction.

It hasn't made me change my views on her. Lewis F is too intense, and won't let things go, and the way he behaved during their discussion was out of order, but I think their personalities are very similar, but she is just more subtle in her approach, in keeping a kindly smile on her face and by controlling the tone and volume of her voice. Skills learnt as an actress?

She has definitely made some comments aimed at putting down and provoking others, and the night before, she started and wouldn't let go of an argument when she should have done. To me, she was much more calculating and manipulative than she claims to me. She was clever enough to say what she said in the diary room, and then reappear in her nicey, nicey, sugary sweet actress persona, aimed at presenting herself as the lovely, reasonable, caring personality she wants to portray.

I think she and Lewis are very complex characters and that neither are as black and white as suggested. I feel that, underneath the surface, Cameron is actually an insecure and confused boy, rather than a malicious individual. All of them have their faults.

As regards to Cameron's opinion, I do agree though that the way Kay chose to leave and the personality traits she has shown, suggest she was trying to portray herself in the best light, whilst making Lewis and Cameron look as bad as possible. Just my opinion.

I agree with all you've said above.
Well said.

[chuff me dizzy]

LF is making him paranoid