[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not to the people complaining about it...they were saying it made them paranoid (which is the whole point of Big Brother anyway), and that it was completely unfair that Kenny got evicted when she wasn't even nominated.

The point is that they came up with that as a rule and it has been implemented from the start. Any housemate could have been taken out by it. That was fair, whether you regarded it is a good idea or not.

They've done worse than this in the past, and things that were actually to the detriment of the show too.

This is right up there with one of the most blatant attampts to manipulate the show on behalf of a certain housemate.

It is a gameshow...but (and this is a big but), it's totally different to Big Brother US and Canada. With no public vote

The fact this show has a public vote makes this far worse. The production team don't like how the public are voting, so they just change the format to save a particular housemate. That's disgraceful.

I would completely agree...for the most part I like very little interference, the game plays out naturally and that's that. But public votes? Eh, they more often than not have a negative affect on the series so anything that can be done to limit that, be my guest.

The public vote is one of the biggest parts of Big Brother. And it is the attempts to manipulate the public vote by changing things up like this to save certain characters that has alienated viewers over the years. You say the show has been improved by this but it hasn't. It's lost viewers because of this. And now it's got hardly any left and is being axed. You say you want little interference, and yet you've just shrugged your shoulders at an extraordinary example of interference designed to benefit one particular housemate over all of the others. It's hilarious what those left watching this crap will defend.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by votebot

I use a different IP address every time I vote but I'm limited to 720 votes an hour

Originally Posted by votebot

All is fair. If it's fair for some people to vote more than other people on evictions just because they have more money, then it's fair for me to deploy my votebot to save lewis and the show.

I'm phoning the police

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I'm phoning the police

ofcom please

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

The point is that they came up with that as a rule and it has been implemented from the start. Any housemate could have been taken out by it. That was fair, whether you regarded it is a good idea or not.

I'm not speaking on my own behalf because I like the viewer nomination, merely reciting what others have claimed. My point is not everyone agrees that the series has been "fair" up until this week, there's always going to be something that someone disagrees with, so.

But as I said I don't think the viewer nom is unfair so I'd prefer it if we left this part or else this conversation is going to become even longer.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

This is right up there with one of the most blatant attampts to manipulate the show on behalf of a certain housemate.

Sure, but what I said was 'they've done worse than this in the past, and things that were actually to the detriment of the show too.'

I'm struggling to care when it's the opposite. Positive manipulation is a-okay with me and part and parcel of reality television, especially in the modern era.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

The fact this show has a public vote makes this far worse. The production team don't like how the public are voting, so they just change the format to save a particular housemate. That's disgraceful.

Not really...that's just a sense of entitlement on behalf of the viewers. Channel 5, Endemol or quite frankly any British reality show production team are under no obligation to provide a public vote - it has just become the "done" thing in this country. The only thing they can't do legally is rig a televote, anything else is fair game and comes with the territory.

The production team also has a duty and objective to ensure that they are maximising the potential of the cast and storyline strands, and attempting to prevent the public from destroying that is totally understandable.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

The public vote is one of the biggest parts of Big Brother. And it is the attempts to manipulate the public vote by changing things up like this to save certain characters that has alienated viewers over the years. You say the show has been improved by this but it hasn't. It's lost viewers because of this. And now it's got hardly any left and is being axed. You say you want little interference, and yet you've just shrugged your shoulders at an extraordinary example of interference designed to benefit one particular housemate over all of the others. It's hilarious what those left watching this crap will defend.

In this country, sure. But it doesn't need to be. And hopefully if the show ever returns it won't be again.

The show's demise has been due to a lot of things (most of which are Channel 5's doing - you can read my post in the Ratings Thread for my thoughts on that), but this isn't one of them. There was production manipulation well over a decade ago, and surprisingly enough there were still in excess of 5m people watching.

Do you know what is damaging to series of Big Brother though? Dreadful eviction orders. There have been examples in BBUK's history where several big characters have been evicted and the show's ratings for that series have declined. It has even happened this year...and people think it doesn't matter

Love Island has a production manual which details certain "safety nets" to protect the "key characters" (which is how they refer to it) from public votes to ensure they last as long as possible - and guess what? Over 3m people watch it every night and it's ITV2's most successful show. They tried a vote to evict dump once, it got rid of the villain and they never repeated it again. The production team understand the necessity of keeping key characters and what do you know...it pays off. It's time Big Brother started doing the same thing.

This is to the benefit of the overall series and franchise, not just Lewis. It should've been implemented five years ago, let alone now.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not speaking on my own behalf because I like the viewer nomination, merely reciting what others have claimed. My point is not everyone agrees that the series has been "fair" up until this week, there's always going to be something that someone disagrees with, so.

There's a difference between disgareeing with something and whether or not it is fair. The viewer vote has been conducted in a fair manner. Changing a voting format to suit a particular result is something else entirely.

Sure, but what I said was 'they've done worse than this in the past, and things that were actually to the detriment of the show too.'

I'm struggling to care when it's the opposite. Positive manipulation is a-okay with me and part and parcel of reality television, especially in the modern era.

It is not part and parcel of a reality show. And who decides what is positive and what is not? And again, it is the very manipulation itself that has got so out of control, people have switched off. They've damaged the show by doing this.

Not really...that's just a sense of entitlement on behalf of the viewers. Channel 5, Endemol or quite frankly any British reality show production team are under no obligation to provide a public vote - it has just become the "done" thing in this country.

Yes, it is an integral part of the format and has been for the entire time it has been on the television. It is an interactive show. It was alienating the viewers that led to the show losing them and being axed.

The production team also has a duty and objective to ensure that they are maximising the potential of the cast and storyline strands, and attempting to prevent the public from destroying that is totally understandable.

Not on a show where they are asking the viewers to decide. Can you really not see the damage that has been done to the show over the years? Look where it is now. 500k viewing ratings and axed.

The show's demise has been due to a lot of things (most of which are Channel 5's doing - you can read my post in the Ratings Thread for my thoughts on that), but this isn't one of them. There was production manipulation well over a decade ago, and surprisingly enough there were still in excess of 5m people watching.

The show's demise began on Channel 4 (hence the reason it was axed there as well) because of this kind of interference.

Do you know what is damaging to series of Big Brother though?

Is urinating all over a chosen format for a show, pissing off half the audience by doing something so clearly unfair in the process, not damaging to the show? Are you serious?

Dreadful eviction orders. There have been examples in BBUK's history where several big characters have been evicted and the show's ratings for that series have declined. It has even happened this year...and people think it doesn't matter

It doesn't matter half as much as rigging an entire show to keep certain people in. And if they picked a better set of housemates it wouldn't matter anyway. And many people like watching Big Brother to see "big characters" get their comeuppance. Indeed, some of the biggest viewing figures ever have been watching people like Grace get evicted.

Love Island has a production manual which details certain "safety nets" to protect the "key characters" (which is how they refer to it) from public votes to ensure they last as long as possible - and guess what? Over 3m people watch it every night and it's ITV2's most successful show. They tried a vote to evict dump once, it got rid of the villain and they never repeated it again. The production team understand the necessity of keeping key characters and what do you know...it pays off. It's time Big Brother started doing the same thing.

This is to the benefit of the overall series and franchise, not just Lewis. It should've been implemented five years ago, let alone now.

I have no problem with there being a vote to save at the start of the show. But when you do this after weeks of it being the other way, you are rigging the show. It is that simple. Whether this should be the chosen format is irrelevant. You don't just change a voting format to suit a particular agenda one week.

You're essentially saying they can do whatever they want including saying "Yeah, **** the format, **** the viewers, **** the voters, **** you all. We do as we please despite this supposedly being an interactive show"

That kind of attitude stinks and it is what ultimately destroys a show. The show has not benefited one bit from it.