[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think it was more that he was goading him into actually taking some responsibility for the general negative impact he has on the house...

Which Lewis NEVER takes responsibility for

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...strange how Zoe ‘lost it’ when she’s been spending so much time with Lewis and she never ‘lost it’ when spending much time with housemates who don’t have the level of paranoia and contempt and intolerance as Lewis has...

Following on from this point, Ammi, it was lovely to see Cameron's interactions with other housemates in recent episodes, and it was noticeable how much more relaxed, rational and happy he seemed. It was like a darkness had been lifted.

He also showed lots of positive characteristics- his understanding of Hussain's feelings, his compassion for Cian, friendliness towards Akeem, his kindness and loyalty towards Tomasz- which proved what a lovely guy he is when apart from negative influences.

I actually like Cameron a lot when he is with other housemates, but just as with Zoe, Lewis brings out the worst in him.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think it was more that he was goading him into actually taking some responsibility for the general negative impact he has on the house...

[Vanessa]

Hussain also has a negative impact to the house. But of course that doesn't matter, because he's not Lewis.
So Hussain can do what he wants and get away with it. I see double standards are still rife in here!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Following on from this point, Ammi, it was lovely to see Cameron's interactions with other housemates in recent episodes, and it was noticeable how much more relaxed, rational and happy he seemed. It was like a darkness had been lifted.

He also showed lots of positive characteristics- his understanding of Hussain's feelings, his compassion for Cian, friendliness towards Akeem, his kindness and loyalty towards Tomasz- which proved what a lovely guy he is when apart from negative influences.

I actually like Cameron a lot when he is with other housemates, but just as with Zoe, Lewis brings out the worst in him.

..yeah Garfie...without the shadow of Lewis, I think we would have seen a different Cameron...others encourage the positive in him..(..and I don’t think he’s a naturally positive person....)...but they encourage positivity to the surface...Lewis stifles and suppresses it and sadly he’s the biggest influence on Cameron, Cameron adores him...the fact that he adores such negativity as Lewis is...shows his ability to see the best in people...I loved how he hugged Cian when Cian was so distraught and upset with the whole eruption..it was a natural affection and protection/comfort, type thing...it’ll be interesting to see in the aftermath what Lewis says to Cameron...whether he’ll spin Cian into a negative of shouldn’t have become involved, etc...and then interesting to see Cameron absorbing it all...again..and again.....

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Hussain also has a negative impact to the house. But of course that doesn't matter, because he's not Lewis.
So Hussain can do what he wants and get away with it. I see double standards are still rife in here!

Not really
We all know Hussain has shot himself in the foot , and nobody said he was perfect but atleast he's honest and he confronted Lewis . And Hussain has owned up that he's probably not conducted himself in the best way.

Lewis has a huge problem with Hussain and kept whining in the kitchen to Issy about him , yet when Hussain AGAIN gives him the chance to say something he just sit's grinning while muttering under his breath .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Hussain also has a negative impact to the house. But of course that doesn't matter, because he's not Lewis.
So Hussain can do what he wants and get away with it. I see double standards are still rife in here!

..he isn’t getting away with anything though, Vanessa...he’ll be evicted for trying to expose the negativity in the house...yeah double standards or ironic that Lewis will probably be the winner...go figure...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..he isn’t getting away with anything though, Vanessa...he’ll be evicted for trying to expose the negativity in the house...yeah double standards or ironic that Lewis will probably be the winner...go figure...

He's getting away with it in here. Bad behaviour should not be rewarded.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He's getting away with it in here. Bad behaviour should not be rewarded.

Yet Lewis continues to get PASSES

[Vanessa]

I don't care who leaves tonight. My point is, Hussain was trying to goad Lewis into a fight. And apparently that's perfectly acceptable? Wow!

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah Garfie...without the shadow of Lewis, I think we would have seen a different Cameron...others encourage the positive in him..(..and I don’t think he’s a naturally positive person....)...but they encourage positivity to the surface...Lewis stifles and suppresses it and sadly he’s the biggest influence on Cameron, Cameron adores him...the fact that he adores such negativity as Lewis is...shows his ability to see the best in people...I loved how he hugged Cian when Cian was so distraught and upset with the whole eruption..it was a natural affection and protection/comfort, type thing...it’ll be interesting to see in the aftermath what Lewis says to Cameron...whether he’ll spin Cian into a negative of shouldn’t have become involved, etc...and then interesting to see Cameron absorbing it all...again..and again.....

It was a beautiful moment between Cameron and Cian, and I just loved what I saw in Cameron at that moment.

You know I said the same thing in another thread about how Lewis will criticise and target Cian again for getting involved, and maybe suggesting Cian's distress was fake to get airtime, just to build distrust again. I honestly believe that if Lewis had not sown negative seeds in Cameron's head about Cian before, they would have repaired their friendship at the time and it would have developed.

Cameron is young and naive, and is so in awe of Lewis that I don't think he recognises how negative his influence has been in many ways. However, I do think the first signs of Cameron detaching himself have begun to emerge, and I hope it continues. I think Cameron would blossom without Lewis there, so for Cameron, I really hope Lewis is evicted tonight.

[Ammi]

...he didn’t try to goad him into a fight, he tried to goad him into speaking up and not slinking back and have others speak for him..he tried to goad him into taking his own responsibility...rather than just plant all of the seeds and let others be his voice...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't care who leaves tonight. My point is, Hussain was trying to goad Lewis into a fight. And apparently that's perfectly acceptable? Wow!

And it was also ok for Zoe to throw her weight around where it DIDN'T concern her ?? , and for Lewis to egg things on by smirking at Hussain & Zoe ?

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He's getting away with it in here. Bad behaviour should not be rewarded.

The irony astounds me.

[Cherie]

Hussain will leave tonight unfortunately. His anger is borne out of frustration for Isabella and as he admitted himself some jealousy, Isabella is literallly sleeping with the enemy, to get into his bed last night after all that had happened shows she is only out for herself, Hussein has blown his chance over her .. shame

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

The irony astounds me.

The voice of reason

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

It was a beautiful moment between Cameron and Cian, and I just loved what I saw in Cameron at that moment.

You know I said the same thing in another thread about how Lewis will criticise and target Cian again for getting involved, and maybe suggesting Cian's distress was fake to get airtime, just to build distrust again. I honestly believe that if Lewis had not sown negative seeds in Cameron's head about Cian before, they would have repaired their friendship at the time and it would have developed.

Cameron is young and naive, and is so in awe of Lewis that I don't think he recognises how negative his influence has been in many ways. However, I do think the first signs of Cameron detaching himself have begun to emerge, and I hope it continues. I think Cameron would blossom without Lewis there, so for Cameron, I really hope Lewis is evicted tonight.

....yeah it’s so sad that one person can plant so many seeds of paranoia and negativity in so many..but I guess, understandable as well with that type of pressure cooker environment ..the paranoid seeds would be there anyway, all he had to do was nurture them and it’s rare that we see such an extreme of negativity in a person’s character...he’s had less effect on the more balanced and positive people but if it’s been a donkey on the edge..he’s pushed them over the edge completely.....


..I don’t think he’ll go tonight, Garfie...I actually think he’ll be the winner..and to have someone win who feels they have shared their experience with a house full of reptiles, who hasn’t appreciated the people he has shared the experience with or hasn’t appreciated the experience he’s had...who basically shows so much contempt and intolerance..?...doesn’t sit right with me...

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't care who leaves tonight. My point is, Hussain was trying to goad Lewis into a fight. And apparently that's perfectly acceptable? Wow!

Are you actually even reading people's posts properly?

Firstly, no-one has said that what Hussain did was perfectly acceptable- in fact, even as a Hussain fan, I have stated in a number of posts that I didn't approve of his actions, as have other Hussain fans. What people are discussing is how the situation unfolded, the triggers for it and the reasons behind Hussain's behaviour. That doesn't mean people are approving of it, but that they are tying to understand it.

Secondly, the point about goading has been addressed in detail by Ammi and others, so it would just be going round in circles to repeat all the points made regarding that. Making the same point numerous times isn't going to make people change their views.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Are you actually even reading people's posts properly?

Firstly, no-one has said that what Hussain did was perfectly acceptable- in fact, even as a Hussain fan, I have stated in a number of posts that I didn't approve of his actions, as have other Hussain fans. What people are discussing is how the situation unfolded, the triggers for it and the reasons behind Hussain's behaviour. That doesn't mean people are approving of it, but that they are tying to understand it.

Secondly, the point about goading has been addressed in detail by Ammi and others, so it would just be going round in circles to repeat all the points made regarding that. Making the same point numerous times isn't going to make people change their views.

We've been debating this for ages completely agree ! .

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hussain will leave tonight unfortunately. His anger is borne out of frustration for Isabella and as he admitted himself some jealousy, Isabella is literallly sleeping with the enemy, to get into his bed last night after all that had happened shows she is only out for herself, Hussein has blown his chance over her .. shame

Cherie, you are so right. She is literally sleeping with the enemy.

And the sad thing is that she doesn't even realise she has been used as a pawn in a game. She is no more than a trophy for Lewis to use in order to demonstrate to Hussain that he has triumphed over him.

I am so sad that Hussain has sacrificed his place in the house for her.

[Ammi]

..I think she does realise...I think she’s happy to be that pawn and has created herself as that pawn..because she knows where the house power lies...Hussain’s way of bringing down the house power was never going to work...snuggling under its wing is what she’s doing, trying to become a part of it...

[Ammi]

..I struggle with respect or understanding with anyone who can be spoken to as Lewis spoke to her in such a derogatory way...and then say...awwwwww, but isn’t he gorgeous though, just look at that lovely face and that body...

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....yeah it’s so sad that one person can plant so many seeds of paranoia and negativity in so many..but I guess, understandable as well with that type of pressure cooker environment ..the paranoid seeds would be there anyway, all he had to do was nurture them and it’s rare that we see such an extreme of negativity in a person’s character...he’s had less effect on the more balanced and positive people but if it’s been a donkey on the edge..he’s pushed them over the edge completely.....


..I don’t think he’ll go tonight, Garfie...I actually think he’ll be the winner..and to have someone win who feels they have shared their experience with a house full of reptiles, who hasn’t appreciated the people he has shared the experience with or hasn’t appreciated the experience he’s had...who basically shows so much contempt and intolerance..?...doesn’t sit right with me...

Don't Ammi. This wouldn't sit comfortably with me either. But I don't want him to win, and can't believe he will. If he stays, I hope he will bring about his own downfall, and that someone like Tomasz, Akeem or Cian triumphs. Surely, the longer he stays, the more people's eyes will be opened, and consequently the positive will win over the negative.

Am I just being hopelessly optimistic or foolishly idealistic? I'd like to think not, as I can't allow the dismay I would feel to emerge at this point.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I struggle with respect or understanding with anyone who can be spoken to as Lewis spoke to her in such a derogatory way...and then say...awwwwww, but isn’t he gorgeous though, just look at that lovely face and that body...

Me too. Why would you? Or should that be how could you?

Is this really part of a game plan, or is she just naively and foolishly being swept along by her attraction to him?

I can't quite decide at this stage.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Don't Ammi. This wouldn't sit comfortably with me either. But I don't want him to win, and can't believe he will. If he stays, I hope he will bring about his own downfall, and that someone like Tomasz, Akeem or Cian triumphs. Surely, the longer he stays, the more people's eyes will be opened, and consequently the positive will win over the negative.

Am I just being hopelessly optimistic or foolishly idealistic? I'd like to think not, as I can't allow the dismay I would feel to emerge at this point.

...I know it’s a different house and I’m not comparing Lewis either...but what I keep thinking is...Helen Wood, Helen Wood, Helen Wood...and I just feel a little of that vibe this year...I will though absorb your optimism, Garfie..and think I’m probably just under the influence of Lewis’ paranoia and trust that someone who has loved their experience and appreciated their housemates..(..the good, the bad and the ugly of them..)...will win...