[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

btw, this incident provided a final straw for me getting a book on fascist behaviour and ideology in the world today; gonna educate myself

What do you think fascism is, and how do you think it relates to this particular incident? No "shade", I just find people's views on that sort of thing interesting.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What do you think fascism is, and how do you think it relates to this particular incident? No "shade", I just find people's views on that sort of thing interesting.

That's why I got the book, to educate myself.
If you want to know I'll tell you. But I want to put a disclaimer that I'm not presenting it as my view to be argued and defended. It's more of a gut feeling.
I think these people did what they did bc that tower represented multicultural Britain with people of colour, immigrants and refugees in social housing.
I think they disaprove of that. They disaprove of other races living here and they disaprove of welfare state. Both together make me think they may hold fascist views (racial purity, no welfare).
As to the definition of fascism, see wikipedia

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That's why I got the book, to educate myself.
If you want to know I'll tell you. But I want to put a disclaimer that I'm not presenting it as my view to be argued and defended. It's more of a gut feeling.
I think these people did what they did bc that tower represented multicultural Britain with people of colour, immigrants and refugees in social housing.
I think they disaprove of that. They disaprove of other races living here and they disaprove of welfare state. Both together make me think they may hold fascist views (racial purity, no welfare).
As to the definition of fascism, see wikipedia

They're a few geezers having a bonfire in their garden on bonfire night, they're not putting forward policies for racial purity and a non welfare state.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

They're a few geezers having a bonfire in their garden on bonfire night, they're not putting forward policies for racial purity and a non welfare state.

you mean fascists of a garden-variety?

Oliver asked so I answered, but I'm not getting into legality or impact or arguing my points as it's just a hunch so

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That's why I got the book, to educate myself.
If you want to know I'll tell you. But I want to put a disclaimer that I'm not presenting it as my view to be argued and defended. It's more of a gut feeling.
I think these people did what they did bc that tower represented multicultural Britain with people of colour, immigrants and refugees in social housing.
I think they disaprove of that. They disaprove of other races living here and they disaprove of welfare state. Both together make me think they may hold fascist views (racial purity, no welfare).
As to the definition of fascism, see wikipedia

A lack of a welfare state isn't necessarily a fascist thing:

[Nazi Germany had] undertaken state intervention in the economy unprecedented in capitalist societies. The Nazis also supported an extensive welfare state (of course, for ‘ethnically pure’ Germans). It included free higher education, family and child support, pensions, health insurance and an array of publically supported entertainment and vacation options.

People paint fascism as "far right" when looking at racist thugs or politicians they disagree with, but actual fascism is hard to place on the left-right scale as it has aspects of both.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

A lack of a welfare state isn't necessarily a fascist thing:

People paint fascism as "far right" when looking at racist thugs or politicians they disagree with, but actual fascism is hard to place on the left-right scale as it has aspects of both.

re. welfare: it is
that intervention you quote was not ideologically driven but practical
they excused it by saying it is for pure germans who fell behind by no fault of their own (blamed it on Jews)
doesn't change the fact that in principle they disagreed with welfare state and wanted a Darwinian survival of the fittest.


I didn't say they were far right, I said fascist so I don't disagree with your statement there. Tho you can't ignore that in common perception some see fascism as a right wing and may mistakenly claim that