[user104658]

Oh wait, BANISHED, sorry...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by lime

Oh i see where you are coming from Cherie..and it is a British attidue to Ireland..I am happy for you as an Irish person ...you feel more British.


Sure why would I complain when I feel more Irish than South African.


I do take offence of you talking about the Irish "exportiong" their citizens ..But sure that's grand as long as the British do the same ..but they are called ex pats.


i do feel i have to ask ...Do you know anything about you own history?

Far from popular believe ...the Irish goverment are standing strong for Ireland...A steady ship is needed to ride these waves.


Ireland is not a utophia ..but it is grown up enough to know to put country first...
Wish your land of paradise would do the same

This vote was all about this lands people putting the country first fgs...jeez..

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This vote was all about this lands people putting the country first fgs...jeez..

Please explain how Brexit has done that.

[lime]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This vote was all about this lands people putting the country first fgs...jeez..

put your land first ....make no mistake Ireland will put Ireland first

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Please explain how Brexit has done that.

I will when it happens.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

Oh i see where you are coming from Cherie..and it is a British attidue to Ireland..I am happy for you as an Irish person ...you feel more British.


Sure why would I complain when I feel more Irish than South African.


I do take offence of you talking about the Irish "exportiong" their citizens ..But sure that's grand as long as the British do the same ..but they are called ex pats.


i do feel i have to ask ...Do you know anything about you own history?

Far from popular believe ...the Irish goverment are standing strong for Ireland...A steady ship is needed to ride these waves.


Ireland is not a utophia ..but it is grown up enough to know to put country first...
Wish your land of paradise would do the same

First and foremore I never said I felt more British, I am 100 per cent Irish and very proud to be tyvm, its nice for you that you feel more Irish though and I dont have any issue with that at all each to their own, there is no hard and fast rule of what you have do do and feel as an immigrant

What I did say was that I had more opportunity in the UK than I ever did in Ireland, and I stand by that as it is my experience.

I don't know what you mean by Ireland puts its country first, I am sure it does, but if the UK does that everyone in it is racist ... so it is nice for you that the Irish government can do that without censure

With regard to your comment about Irish history, please don't patronise me I sat through enough history lessons to know enough, do you know anything about the economy would be a more fitting question, drive through any of the new wonderful motorways in Ireland and you will see that they proudly claim they were funded or part funded by the EU, so far from being able to stand alone they are very ably propped by Europe in some areas

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I heard it was Cherie who banished all the snakes.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh wait, BANISHED, sorry...

[lime]

Originally Posted by Cherie

People do still refer to the North and the South of Ireland, it's not an obsolete term

It may not be obsolete ...but even I as a plastic paddyI know to refer to Repuplicans as those from the South is more than insulting..

Jeez Cherie ..where did you learn your history?

Do folk still refer when it comes to ROI as Southerens ....true ...but by and large they are folk who are offended by the Irish winning their Independance

[Withano]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This vote was all about this lands people putting the country first fgs...jeez..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

It may not be obsolete ...but even I as a plastic paddyI know to refer to Repuplicans as those from the South is more than insulting..

Jeez Cherie ..where did you learn your history?

Do folk still refer when it comes to ROI as Southerens ....true ...but by and large they are folk who are offended by the Irish winning their Independance

I learned it in an Irish classroom, where did you learn about economics? I never knew calling the South, the South was insulting, did you just make that up?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I will when it happens.

The folly of people who voted for Brexit but have no idea what it actually means, other than sticking it to the foreigners, and the fear to admit you have no clue.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I learned it in an Irish classroom, where did you learn about economics? I never knew calling the South, the South was insulting, did you just make that up?

oh come on Cherie...are you really trying to tell me that growing up in ROI...that been callled someone Southern Irish isnT insulting?..they are irish full stop



As regards to where I learned economicis ...well thats just common sense.

But sure that's okay as long as you believe that leo and the rest of us is the eneemy...


Rule Bittania

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The folly of people who voted for Brexit but have no idea what it actually means, other than sticking it to the foreigners, and the fear to admit you have no clue.

Random post....


But you are the one claiming that brexit has happened and it's all ****....


Well it's no happened yet pal, and nobody can tell if it's going to be **** or not...but you keep labelling people into the racist pot or intoletarable to foreigners pot.....


Because as we all know, that's all people voted leave for........idiot.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Random post....


But you are the one claiming that brexit has happened and it's all ****....


Well it's no happened yet pal, and nobody can tell if it's going to be **** or not...but you keep labelling people into the racist pot or intoletarable to foreigners pot.....


Because as we all know, that's all people voted leave for........idiot.

It has already done significant economic damage...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Random post....


But you are the one claiming that brexit has happened and it's all ****....


Well it's no happened yet pal, and nobody can tell if it's going to be **** or not...but you keep labelling people into the racist pot or intoletarable to foreigners pot.....


Because as we all know, that's all people voted leave for........idiot.

So enlighten me. You hate being labelled these things so tell me why you voted for brexit. Other than immigration, what laws or agreements do you think we can make post-brexit that couldn't be made if we'd stayed?

Surprise me and tell of which injustices we will be able to correct, or which area of trade we can take advantage of. I've actually been a lot kinder towards brexiters than they generally deserve, because people avoid answering why and what they voted for, like you've just done, because deep down you know the answer, and you know it sounds ugly.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It has already done significant economic damage...

I'm looking in my pocket......nope...no difference there.

And let's face it, it will be the exact same for me and you when it happens...we will still have a pound in our pocket.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So enlighten me. You hate being labelled these things so tell me why you voted for brexit. Other than immigration, what laws or agreements do you think we can make post-brexit that couldn't be made if we'd stayed?

Surprise me and tell of which injustices we will be able to correct, or which area of trade we can take advantage of. I've actually been a lot kinder towards brexiters than they generally deserve, because people avoid answering why and what they voted for, like you've just done, because deep down you know the answer, and you know it sounds ugly.

I voted brexit for the bants....I can't stand lefties and most of them wanted to stay....not me though...I know it ain't going to make the slightest bit of difference to what I do each month with my wages, so I voted leave cause I hate lefties.

And for you, and the rest of the forum....down here in Essex where I live and work...guess what..my closest m8s are immigrants..great blokes so they are.

So for me, the immigration issue didn't even cross my mind...but again..you carry on assuming and labelling and shoving people in boxes like the good robotic citizens they are...don't dare let anyone be individual...no.....

Just shove them all in one box because they must all be the same....a bit like what some old **** might have said about the immigrants in the 70s..


You remainers do make me laugh though.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I voted brexit for the bants....I can't stand lefties and most of them wanted to stay....not me though...I know it ain't going to make the slightest bit of difference to what I do each month with my wages, so I voted leave cause I hate lefties.

And for you, and the rest of the forum....down here in Essex where I live and work...guess what..my closest m8s are immigrants..great blokes so they are.

So for me, the immigration issue didn't even cross my mind...but again..you carry on assuming and labelling and shoving people in boxes like the good robotic citizens they are...don't dare let anyone be individual...no.....

Just shove them all in one box because they must all be the same....a bit like what some old **** might have said about the immigrants in the 70s..


You remainers do make me laugh though.

Tell me you didn't hit me with the "some of my best friends..." card?

I take it all back, you obviously had strong opposition to some obscure European agreement that affected bird migrations.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So enlighten me. You hate being labelled these things so tell me why you voted for brexit. Other than immigration, what laws or agreements do you think we can make post-brexit that couldn't be made if we'd stayed?

Surprise me and tell of which injustices we will be able to correct, or which area of trade we can take advantage of. I've actually been a lot kinder towards brexiters than they generally deserve, because people avoid answering why and what they voted for, like you've just done, because deep down you know the answer, and you know it sounds ugly.

To be fair, there are a couple who believed the Leave campaign lie that the money we pay into the EU pot just evaporates and could be spent here in the UK on things like the NHS. I think MOST of those hopefully now realise that there will be no "extra money" at all for the NHS. Or anything else. And all we've actually done is significantly and permanently devalue the GBP.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm looking in my pocket......nope...no difference there.

And let's face it, it will be the exact same for me and you when it happens...we will still have a pound in our pocket.

You're simply wrong here Parm, yes we're being paid the same as ever but products are already increasing in price which means real-terms year on year pay cut since the vote. That's going to get worse. Just because you haven't noticed a difference doesn't mean it isn't there; for me personally, our weekly household shopping has increased by about 20%.

Like I said earlier, because we've been comfortable in the UK for a long time, we believe that we can't fall into serious economic problems. We can, just like many other first-world countries have in the past. Maybe you'll notice when your Ł1 loaf of bread costs Ł2? Maybe not.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

oh come on Cherie...are you really trying to tell me that growing up in ROI...that been callled someone Southern Irish isnT insulting?..they are irish full stop



As regards to where I learned economicis ...well thats just common sense.

But sure that's okay as long as you believe that leo and the rest of us is the eneemy...





Rule Bittania

Can you point out where on this thread I ever said anything of the sort, you seem very keen to paint me as anti Irish because I had the temerity to take off the rose tinted spectacles when talking about Irish economics, its okay for you to love your adopted home but I am not allowed to love mine because of past history that took place in a time when neither of us were born, it is possible to like where you live and like where you came from you know, I am sure you wouldn't be very happy is emigrants into Ireland said they hated living there but that is another story ... this debate started off because Ireland was held up a shining example of economic bliss which Scotland when it gets its independence should aspire to

Seeing at Economics is so simple maybe you can explain why the HSE in Ireland are recruiting nursing staff from abroad while they are happy to lose the graduates that were educated in the country because they wont increase their pay and conditions? so all that education and training is lost to another country.....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...rate-1.3061034

the other thing the irks me greatly is during the boom Celtic tiger years not one new hospital was built, did you know that residents in Donegal have to travel to Galway Hospital for some operations and chemotherapy, living in the Dublin bubble I doubt this will affect you as you are well serviced by local hospitals, it isn't quite the same everywhere

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're simply wrong here Parm, yes we're being paid the same as ever but products are already increasing in price which means real-terms year on year pay cut since the vote. That's going to get worse. Just because you haven't noticed a difference doesn't mean it isn't there; for me personally, our weekly household shopping has increased by about 20%.

Like I said earlier, because we've been comfortable in the UK for a long time, we believe that we can't fall into serious economic problems. We can, just like many other first-world countries have in the past. Maybe you'll notice when your Ł1 loaf of bread costs Ł2? Maybe not.

So why is it the fault of us leaving the EU that has made your weekly shopping rise by 20%

We are still in the EU at the moment...so how on earth can you blame the increase on us not being in the EU?

Ah don't get it!!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So why is it the fault of us leaving the EU that has made your weekly shopping rise by 20%

We are still in the EU at the moment...so how on earth can you blame the increase on us not being in the EU?

Ah don't get it!!

Because as simply as I can put it... "money" doesn't exist. In the modern world, those numbers and pieces of paper don't represent any physical product. It's an illusion that functions by agreement; a pound (or dollar, or euro) is worth something because everyone agrees that it's worth something, and thus, the whole thing is essentially based on market confidence and so, fluctuates like the stock market. Nothing needs to actually HAPPEN to devalue the pound. Its value drops every time there's an announcement that decreases global trust in the British economy. The value dropped when the referendum was announced. It dropped when the result was announced. It creeps up a little when we look close to securing a deal that allows free trade with the EU to continue - and then drops again the closer we get to a "no deal" Brexit. If we actually END UP WITH a no deal Brexit, it's likely to crash very badly.

Why that matters in terms of what your shopping costs, is that we rely heavily on international trade. We have to, as a geographically small, highly populated country. So the less the pound is worth globally vs other currencies, the more it costs to import. The global price doesn't change, but it costs more in GBP, because the GBP is weaker. So products manufactured abroad become more expensive, fuel becomes more expensive (which affects absolutely everything), certain raw materials used for what manufacturing does occur in the UK become more expensive...

We're a small island with a large population and we aren't and cannot be self sufficient. Free trade, or as close to it as possible, with our closest neighbours is essential in maintaining the absolute basics. Putting all other reasons for voting for Brexit aside... Leaving the European Market is a disaster.

[Beso]

Isn't the price of oil decreasing?...

I'm sure it's down to 45 a barrel from 50...and experts predicting it will hit the 40 mark soon.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Isn't the price of oil decreasing?...

I'm sure it's down to 45 a barrel from 50...and experts predicting it will hit the 40 mark soon.

The price of oil globally is constantly fluctuating, but that's for everyone. The pound being weak still means that it costs more for us relative to other currencies.