[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Mokka

My own kid is female to male trans... and we are just starting the process of undergoing those changes... and I know for a fact HE would want to start out and end up in a Male ward... (if Male wards are even necessary) because HE thinks, feels, and identifies as male. When you go into a hospital you get assigned a bed based on your recovery period... not based on your gender going in...so if location matters and he will need attention to his male physical body... then he needs to be where that can happen... not in labour, delivery, or hysterectomys.

A post like this makes this forum worth being
On,a real person with real experience of the subject being discussed.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mokka

My own kid is female to male trans... and we are just starting the process of undergoing those changes... and I know for a fact HE would want to start out and end up in a Male ward... (if Male wards are even necessary) because HE thinks, feels, and identifies as male. When you go into a hospital you get assigned a bed based on your recovery period... not based on your gender going in...so if location matters and he will need attention to his male physical body... then he needs to be where that can happen... not in labour, delivery, or hysterectomys.

This issue won't arise for your child, as there are already mixed wards in your hospitals. In the UK you can if you want choose to see either a male or female GP for instance, and most wards are single sex. As I have said umpteem times its self identification that I have an issue with as it open to abuse. If the person is transitioning or has transitioned I have no issue

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I still don't see pre op female to male trans battering down the doors to get into male facilities so where is the equality?

Do you know this from personal experience or just assuming because their isn't a weekly outraged news article on the daily mail that it doesn't happen?

Regardless I'd say it's not really a fair comparison when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Do you know this from personal experience or just assuming because their isn't a weekly outraged news article on the daily mail that it doesn't happen?

Regardless I'd say it's not really a fair comparison when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen.

"when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen."

do you know this from personal experience or what?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there you go women of tibb, marsh TS and withano say


"put up and shut up, this conversation is over"




:

That's a funny way of saying "Stop demonising homosexuals and transsexuals as sexual deviants" but ok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gloria calling it straight on Loose Women

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...s-transgender/

[Alf]

The Veruca Salt generation

"Don't care how, I want it now"

[UserSince2005]

Hot, all that unwashed puss

[Oliver_W]

Hospital wards a bit different to prisons and hostels, how many opportunities would predatory traps have to abuse women in a hospital? Changes of clothes and intimate exams are always done behind the curtains anyway.

[Tom4784]

The problem with gender is that people are trying to make it out to be this unknowable and unclassifiable thing and it's just not feasible in situations like this. I think if you have transitioned or have already begun that journey than you should be allowed on your preferred gender's ward but somebody identifying as the other gender isn't enough to consider them that gender in situations like this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem with gender is that people are trying to make it out to be this unknowable and unclassifiable thing and it's just not feasible in situations like this. I think if you have transitioned or have already begun that journey than you should be allowed on your preferred gender's ward but somebody identifying as the other gender isn't enough to consider them that gender in situations like this.

Agree with this.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem with gender is that people are trying to make it out to be this unknowable and unclassifiable thing and it's just not feasible in situations like this. I think if you have transitioned or have already begun that journey than you should be allowed on your preferred gender's ward but somebody identifying as the other gender isn't enough to consider them that gender in situations like this.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Agree with this.

I think the issue here is that you're imagining some big burly bald bloke sat in a bed in a female ward saying "Wot of it luv? I'm a woman!" whilst aggressively gesturing at his penis and winking.

If someone can provide a real-world example of that or anything similar actually happening, rather than a bizarre concern that it COULD theoretically happen, then there's a discussion to be had. Until then it's frankly all just blind outrage about nothing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the issue here is that you're imagining some big burly bald bloke sat in a bed in a female ward saying "Wot of it luv? I'm a woman!" whilst aggressively gesturing at his penis and winking.

This sounds like LT in a Carry On film.

[Caution]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the issue here is that you're imagining some big burly bald bloke sat in a bed in a female ward saying "Wot of it luv? I'm a woman!" whilst aggressively gesturing at his penis and winking.

If someone can provide a real-world example of that or anything similar actually happening, rather than a bizarre concern that it COULD theoretically happen, then there's a discussion to be had. Until then it's frankly all just blind outrage about nothing.

well I mean this did blow up recent..

Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Caution

well I mean this did blow up recent..

Youtube video

Wow I knew things were bad in the English NHS but I didn't know they had resorted to opening up wards in GameStop in the United States! That's surely the more pressing issue here.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Caution

well I mean this did blow up recent..

Youtube video

That's nothing to do with hospitals though.

That said, it is ****ing hilarious, it's up there with that guy who worked in a vape store chimping out over nothing

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Caution

well I mean this did blow up recent..

Youtube video

I'm sorry... this has what to do with a male to female transperson molesting women in a hospital?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the issue here is that you're imagining some big burly bald bloke sat in a bed in a female ward saying "Wot of it luv? I'm a woman!" whilst aggressively gesturing at his penis and winking.

If someone can provide a real-world example of that or anything similar actually happening, rather than a bizarre concern that it COULD theoretically happen, then there's a discussion to be had. Until then it's frankly all just blind outrage about nothing.

i think page 2 of the article and already in this thread!

[lime]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem with gender is that people are trying to make it out to be this unknowable and unclassifiable thing and it's just not feasible in situations like this. I think if you have transitioned or have already begun that journey than you should be allowed on your preferred gender's ward but somebody identifying as the other gender isn't enough to consider them that gender in situations like this.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem with gender is that people are trying to make it out to be this unknowable and unclassifiable thing and it's just not feasible in situations like this. I think if you have transitioned or have already begun that journey than you should be allowed on your preferred gender's ward but somebody identifying as the other gender isn't enough to consider them that gender in situations like this.

.

[Marsh.]

I do laugh though. Just noticed the "MEN GET ACCESS" part of the title. As though female wards are under lock and key and a line of dribbling pervs have just been given special privileges.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I do laugh though. Just noticed the "MEN GET ACCESS" part of the title. As though female wards are under lock and key and a line of dribbling pervs have just been given special privileges.

Indeed Merch, like I said in the last post, if someone desperately wants to assault women in a hospital they can just go to any hospital and walk in the door! The idea that you have to pose as a pre-op transexual to get onto a women's hospital ward is just... Well... It's just incorrect. If it's not a secure ward (and if it's not a psych ward, it's not a secure ward) then it's not restricted access! They don't even have set visiting hours any more.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed Merch, like I said in the last post, if someone desperately wants to assault women in a hospital they can just go to any hospital and walk in the door! The idea that you have to pose as a pre-op transexual to get onto a women's hospital ward is just... Well... It's just incorrect. If it's not a secure ward (and if it's not a psych ward, it's not a secure ward) then it's not restricted access! They don't even have set visiting hours any more.

You are the one talking about attacks which is not the main issue what about for cultural reasons reasons how do you shoehorn in the needs and rights of women to be separate on those occasions

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are the one talking about attacks which is not the main issue what about for cultural reasons reasons how do you shoehorn in the needs and rights of women to be separate on those occasions

What cultural reasons?

Wards are not private areas. They are open to countless people of both genders passing through day and night.

For modesty, they have screens, rooms and bathrooms.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What cultural reasons?

Wards are not private areas. They are open to countless people of both genders passing through day and night.

For modesty, they have screens, rooms and bathrooms.

so you can't think of one culture where men and women are segregated, no?

what about the one where some women cover their hair and faces in public, are you honestly telling me that they will be lying in a hospital bed next to a man?