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LeatherTrumpet · 25-02-2019, 05:06 PM

and none with an opinion or comment about the actual thread, just here to cause trouble

Twosugars · 25-02-2019, 05:11 PM

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and none with an opinion or comment about the actual thread, just here to cause trouble

Don't you agree that right wing terrorism exists and deserves attention? For such an avid chronicler of current events, I'm surprised at your lack of enthusiasm for this thread.

Twosugars · 25-02-2019, 05:15 PM

Every life matters, Livia.

Livia · 25-02-2019, 05:17 PM

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Every life matters, Livia.

Nowhere have I ever said it doesn't.

I'm demonstrating why one set of terrorists don't get the press other sets of terrorists get. They're all arseholes, every one of them.

Twosugars · 25-02-2019, 05:16 PM

There's been plenty of coverage of the Islamist terrorism here, I don't get it why we shouldn't debate right wing terrorism alongside that.

Livia · 25-02-2019, 05:20 PM

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There's been plenty of coverage of the Islamist terrorism here, I don't get it why we shouldn't debate right wing terrorism alongside that.

I am debating it. The thing is, and I'm sure I'm not alone, feel like I am backing the old Right Wingers team from some of the replies I get and it couldn't be further from the truth.

Cherie · 25-02-2019, 05:41 PM

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There's been plenty of coverage of the Islamist terrorism here, I don't get it why we shouldn't debate right wing terrorism alongside that.

have I missed one of your threads?why are people acting like they can't make a thread about it

Twosugars · 25-02-2019, 06:04 PM

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when you say its about time, whats stopped you before?

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have I missed one of your threads?why are people acting like they can't make a thread about it

my bad Cherie, guilty as charged
not with it, sorry to say
but all is good, SR stepped up
look forward to debating the issue with you

Cherie · 26-02-2019, 07:30 AM

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my bad Cherie, guilty as charged
not with it, sorry to say
but all is good, SR stepped up
look forward to debating the issue with you

hopefully we won't be discussing any terror event any time soon

The Slim Reaper · 15-03-2019, 01:53 PM

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...090752857.html

Today's New Zealand mosque shootings, which killed at least 49 people and were allegedly carried out by white supremacists, are only the latest on a long list of recent acts of white supremacist terrorism. Despite the growing and constant threat, Western governments have failed to adequately address the danger of white supremacy.

An abbreviated list of recent acts of white supremacist terrorism includes Robert Gregory Bowers' killing of 12 Jewish worshippers at a Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 2018; Alexandre Bissonnette's massacre of six Muslims in the Quebec City mosque in 2017; Dylann Roof's murdering of nine black Christian parishioners in a Charleston, South Carolina church in 2015; and Anders Behring Breivik's slaughter of 77 people in Norway in 2011.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, numerous other white supremacist plots, including some that planned to kill as many as 30,000 people, have been foiled by law enforcement in the United States. Just last month, the American FBI arrested Christopher Paul Hasson, a white supremacist and lieutenant in the US coastguard, for allegedly plotting terrorist attacks against black and liberal politicians and media personalities.

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New Zealand PM: Dozens killed in 'terrorist' attack on mosques
All of this is to say nothing of less recent white supremacist history, including anti-black violence perpetrated by US's Ku Klux Klan (KKK), thousands of 19th and 20th century lynchings of black Americans by white supremacist mobs, millions of black people murdered during the African slave trade, or millions of brown people killed during the peak periods of Western colonialism. Scholars and analysts have cogently and repeatedly argued that both the African slave trade and Western colonialism were carried out largely in the service of white supremacy.

Although US media and political elites spend considerable time discussing "Islamic terrorism", far-right, white supremacist terrorism is far more common. A recent study showed that two-thirds of terrorist attacks in the US are carried out by far-right individuals and groups. Research by the Southern Poverty Law Center, meanwhile, shows that most far-right violence is unambiguously linked to white supremacy.

In spite of the obvious and continued threat of white supremacist terrorism, Western societies still arguably do not take the danger as seriously as they should. A recent New York Times report showed that for decades US's "domestic counterterrorism strategy has ignored the rising danger of far-right extremism", which, the report also noted, is tied explicitly to white supremacy.

The propping up of white supremacy
Political movements may help explain why many Western societies do not take the threat of white supremacy as seriously as they should - many Western political leaders are themselves beholden to white supremacy.

White nationalism has taken firm root in both European and American political mainstreams. In Europe, white nationalists have gained political traction and influenced elections and referendums, including the United Kingdom's 2016 Brexit vote, while in the US, President Donald Trump and numerous Republican politicians have been linked to white supremacy.

White supremacist and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke explained why white supremacists voted for Trump in US's 2016 presidential election, and Trump made headlines in 2016 when he refused to disavow Duke's support. In 2017, Trump famously equivocated on the KKK and called white supremacists protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia "very fine people". Earlier this decade, Trump spearheaded campaigns challenging the intelligence, grades, and citizenship of the US's first black President, Barack Obama.

White supremacy isn't always violent, at least not at the level of the individual. Some effects of white supremacy are more insidious, but also more widespread and common. Scientific studies on implicit biases show that white people view black people as intellectually inferior and more threatening, among other things.

Implicit biases help explain why, for example, black Americans have more difficulty in obtaining loans and getting jobs, even after all non-race variables are controlled for. Perhaps most relevant to today's anti-Muslim massacres in New Zealand is research showing that large proportions of white people in western societies tend to view Muslims and other brown immigrants as subhuman.

Another problem directly relevant to today's New Zealand massacres is media coverage. Western news media coverage of Muslims tends to be negative and highly stereotypical. Violent crimes carried out by Muslims are highlighted in reportage, while violent crimes perpetrated against Muslims are often de-emphasised or ignored.

One peer-reviewed quantitative analysis showed that acts of terrorism committed by Muslims receive 357 percent more news attention than acts of terrorism committed by non-Muslims. Additionally, the word "terrorism" is often ignored in the context of non-Muslim violence and used exclusively in news reports describing Muslim crimes.

Political elites and media coverage, then, are two factors helping to explain the largely negative perceptions of Muslims, black people, immigrants, and other minorities in contemporary Western societies. Today's shooters in New Zealand weren't born to hate Muslims or any other minority group. They were taught, just as all other white supremacist terrorists are taught, via bigoted discourses which have attained hegemonic status in western societies.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ing-extremists

A new terrorism database analysis shows almost two-thirds of the terror attacks in the United States last year were carried out by right-wing extremists.

Researchers and journalists for the news site Quartz said they used data compiled by the Global Terrorism Database that has tabulated terrorist events around the world since 1970. The database is supported by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), affiliated with the University of Maryland.

“A Quartz analysis of the database shows that almost two-thirds of terror attacks in the (United States) last year were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations,” its posting says.

The remaining attacks, the web site said, “were driven by left-wing ideologies … and Islamic extremism.”

Globally, terrorist attacks dropped from about 17,000 in 2014 to about 11,000 in 2017, including a 40 percent decline in the Middle East, according to Quartz's analysis of the START data.

But the United States has seen a recent surge in terror-related violence, with 65 attacks last year, up from six in 2006, it said.

In a related post last month, Quartz said of 65 terrorism incidents last year in the United States, 37 were “tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government or xenophobic motivations.”

The list includes the August 2017 incident at the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where a man drove a car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing Heather Heyer and injuring many others. The suspect, James Alex Fields, was photographed earlier that day marching with neo-Nazi hate group Vanguard America. Fields has been charged with first-degree murder and is awaiting trial in Virginia. In June, he was indicted on 30 charges of federal hate crimes related to the attack.

The list also includes attacks on a gay bar in Puerto Rico, mosques in Washington, Texas, and Florida and a “vehicle decorated with Jewish iconography in New York,” the posting said.

Quartz said the Global Terrorism Database annual report includes “cases where violence is used by non-state actors to achieve political, economic, religious, or social goals through fear and coercion.”

For example, it said, the database “includes ideologically motivated attacks like the Charleston church shooting, but not ones such as the Aurora movie theater massacre.”

The database also classifies cases according to attackers’ affiliations, such as the Ku Klux Klan. When an affiliation is unknown, the database lists the participant’s ideological identity if it’s known, such as white extremist.

For further reading on right-wing extremist terrorism, check out Terror from the Right, the Southern Poverty Law Center's directory of major terrorist plots and right-wing political violence from 1995 to the present.

Underscore · 25-02-2019, 05:16 PM

Jo Cox

I can remember that day well. I came back home and cried. Jo Cox was an amazing MP who sadly I didn't get to know personally but she was destined for greatness.

Twosugars · 25-02-2019, 05:17 PM

Also, I'd include all of the Western Europe and the US, not just UK. These things are often related.

Livia · 25-02-2019, 05:17 PM

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Also, I'd include all of the Western Europe and the US, not just UK. These things are often related.

Well you're free to look into that.

Twosugars · 25-02-2019, 05:19 PM

Thank you, I appreciate you blessing.

After all, anti-semitism for example cuts across the political spectrum.
It was the Charlottesville mob who chanted "Jews will not replace us".
Far right ideology often lapses into nazism. It deffo deserves our attention.

Livia · 25-02-2019, 05:24 PM

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Thank you, I appreciate you blessing.

After all, anti-semitism for example cuts across the political spectrum.
It was the Charlottesville mob who chanted "Jews will not replace us".
Far right ideology often lapses into nazism. It deffo deserves our attention.

You think I don't know all that? Do you think I haven't been on the receiving end of some rather nasty Right wing thinking? Both directly and indirectly. I'm surprised you have to explain it to me.

Why isn't Right wing extremism given the same attention as Islamists?

Because they don't kill as many people at the moment, thank God. But individually they're equally as dangerous.

bitontheslide · 25-02-2019, 05:27 PM

i seem to remember there being a thread or 2 when the labour mp was murdered. We see threads for loads of vile crime. If its in the news its here

Livia · 25-02-2019, 05:35 PM

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i seem to remember there being a thread or 2 when the labour mp was murdered. We see threads for loads of vile crime. If its in the news its here

And the Finsbury Park attack, that was discussed.

Reading the first line of the opening post, I don't think getting a good debate going was the real purpose of this thread.

Twosugars · 25-02-2019, 06:01 PM

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You think I don't know all that? Do you think I haven't been on the receiving end of some rather nasty Right wing thinking? Both directly and indirectly. I'm surprised you have to explain it to me.

Why isn't Right wing extremism given the same attention as Islamists?

Because they don't kill as many people at the moment, thank God. But individually they're equally as dangerous.

I wasn't trying to patronise you, dear Livia. Merely mentioned it for the record.

I think the emergence of alt right, renewed activity by right wing extremists, shift to the right in many countries, nationalism and famous cases like Brijevik and now the Coast Guard guy need more attention. Simple as that.