[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Leave side relied on a lot of fake news, fake videos like this (also one that made out we were beholden to EU laws when most of the laws listed in the video, which were only listed briefly and purposely made difficult to read, have no effect on us personally), fake slogans on the side of buses and more. Plus you have the likes of Gove telling people to reject the words of experts because they weren't saying what the Leave side wanted to hear.

The Leave campaign was built on fake news and it worked, most people didn't know what they were voting for because the lies worked.

"most people didn't know what they were voting for"

that is a personal assumption only

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"most people didn't know what they were voting for"

that is a personal assumption only

Not really, most people don't do research into the things they vote for, they vote based on base level **** which is why fake news is so dangerous because people will see headlines on facebook and take it as fact. They'll look to the Sun and the Daily Mail headlines for their news and vote based on what they see.

The vast majority of people are ill informed and swayed by untrustworthy sources. It's just a fact at this point.

[bots]

leave.eu have known links with russia, and some of the adverts they were running in the lead up to the referendum were ridiculous

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really, most people don't do research into the things they vote for, they vote based on base level **** which is why fake news is so dangerous because people will see headlines on facebook and take it as fact. They'll look to the Sun and the Daily Mail headlines for their news and vote based on what they see.

The vast majority of people are ill informed and swayed by untrustworthy sources. It's just a fact at this point.

like yourself then?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or do you mean other people who are not you?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

like yourself then?

This is a thread about fake news and fake footage having sway over the voting public... The spread of fake news is a major concern in today's world and how prominent it is paints a damning picture for how informed most voters are.

By all means, offer up an argument about how everyone is informed but considering that you've just tried to make it personal, I won't hold my breath.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is a thread about fake news and fake footage having sway over the voting public... The spread of fake news is a major concern in today's world and how prominent it is paints a damning picture for how informed most voters are.

By all means, offer up an argument about how everyone is informed but considering that you've just tried to make it personal, I won't hold my breath.

i would not try and pretend to know what swayed millions of people to vote leave or remain and i certainly would not call 17 million people illinformed

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all asked by remain voters

Umm...

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i would not try and pretend to know what swayed millions of people.......

So you won't assume that voters are typically uninformed but you'll believe that the people asking what the EU is are automatically remainers? Such rampant hypocrisy.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Umm...



So you won't assume that voters are typically uninformed but you'll believe that the people asking what the EU is are automatically remainers? Such rampant hypocrisy.

I was illustrating how pointless underscore and his sourceless graphic was, you have missed vthe point in your rush to score a pyrrhic point

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

like yourself then?

I think this applies to a hell of a lot of people, on both sides. I fully admit I did not know at the time exactly what I was voting for, should have researched more before voting. I figure a lot of people were in the same boat as me, and if you are undecided and then see lies such as 'extra 350m to the NHS' and stuff, I can see why that would sway people. The outright lies told by both sides were horrendous tbh.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think this applies to a hell of a lot of people, on both sides. I fully admit I did not know at the time exactly what I was voting for, should have researched more before voting. I figure a lot of people were in the same boat as me, and if you are undecided and then see lies such as 'extra 350m to the NHS' and stuff, I can see why that would sway people. The outright lies told by both sides were horrendous tbh.

Welcome to every ref and every general election in history

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Welcome to every ref and every general election in history

Well quite. Mind I do tend to research for general elections, but most of the stuff in manifestos is bollocks, except the stuff that would disadvantage the public, which always seems to get passed

Really really do NOT want a general election anytime soon, and its looking quite likely. I would have to spoil my ballot tbh, as none of them are worth voting for :/

Also good point about the Russian interference BOTS. I believe the russians actually have 'troll farms' where they purposely try to sway the public on certain things too.

[Ammi]

..not the pesky immigrants coming over here and taking our fake news, pffft...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well quite. Mind I do tend to research for general elections, but most of the stuff in manifestos is bollocks, except the stuff that would disadvantage the public, which always seems to get passed

Really really do NOT want a general election anytime soon, and its looking quite likely. I would have to spoil my ballot tbh, as none of them are worth voting for :/

Even if Theresa May does step down or gets ousted, that doesn't warrant a general election. We don't vote for the PM, we vote for the MP for our constituency. The PM represents the party with the most MPs.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by leathertrumpet

"most people didn't know what they were voting for"

that is a personal assumption only

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Underscore

all asked by remain voters

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all asked by remain voters

just saying this shows how utterly stupid the electorate is at large and why we should just stick to representative democracy.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Underscore

just saying this shows how utterly stupid the electorate is at large and why we should just stick to representative democracy.

no it does not as most of those questions were probably asked by people too young to vote unless you know otherwise?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no it does not as most of those questions were probably asked by people too young to vote unless you know otherwise?

do you know otherwise?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Underscore

do you know otherwise?

No so I did not post that graphic trying to prove a point that does not exist

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no it does not as most of those questions were probably asked by people too young to vote unless you know otherwise?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"most people didn't know what they were voting for"

that is a personal assumption only

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all asked by remain voters

Both, I would say tbh.

I find this 'leavers did not know what they were voting for' argument a bit daft, yes many didn't, and it shows by the kind of things they say now about it all (eg. my parents fell for the NHS thing) however, lots of nremainers did not know really.

I voted remain, but at the time was so confused by all the misinformation that I pretty much only voted to keep the staus quo, as better the devil you know

[bots]

i think people are missing the point. leave.eu was a russian sponsored campaign to create havoc in the uk/europe ... and it was very successful.

If you ask voters after a general election if they knew what they were voting for, very few would be able to answer yes. With all votes, you are voting for a future you hope may come to pass, which is completely nebulous. The referendum was no different.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"most people didn't know what they were voting for"

that is a personal assumption only

We didn't know the Government would be dithering around for another 2 years.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

We didn't know the Government would be dithering around for another 2 years.

You have the remain politicians to thank for that

Including TM

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You have the remain politicians to thank for that

Including TM

not really

if erg and dup backed it it would pass
so why these keen leavers are not doing that
go and blame them