[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you're going to take a stance against anti-semitism (A worthy stance indeed) make sure you aren't picking and choosing what anti-semitism is okay depending on who is spouting it.

Exactly. I mean, it is pure logic, otherwise your selective condemnation and selective approval has no ethical integrity or consistency.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nothing from Change UK.... I think they are going to flop as they just aren't getting their message out

I have no idea what they stand for, apart from remaining in the EU - which makes the name "Change" a bit of a misnomer.

I wonder if they know what they want.

[Livia]

When you boil it down to the nuts and bolts, Farage was accused of using "familiar code words" like "new world order" and "globalism".

So be warned people.... and strike those words from your lexicons.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

When you boil it down to the nuts and bolts, Farage was accused of using "familiar code words" like "new world order" and "globalism".

So be warned people.... and strike those words from your lexicons.

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Antisemitism watchdog the Community Security Trust said Mr Farage's language were "familiar code words for antisemitic conspiracy theories".

[Livia]

You have to dig really deep for this stuff, I think.

[bots]

Farage may be antisemitic, i don't really know, i think the stuff highlighted in this thread is tenuous at best. I think there are at least 100 different other reasons I would never consider voting for him or his latest party. Unlike others, I think any success that Farage will have will be extremely short term, if it even materialises at all.

So, while there may be a problem with antisemitism and him, I don't see it as a problem at the moment. The labour party is much more mainstream and a present danger. So that has to be the prime focus.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Farage may be antisemitic, i don't really know, i think the stuff highlighted in this thread is tenuous at best. I think there are at least 100 different other reasons I would never consider voting for him or his latest party. Unlike others, I think any success that Farage will have will be extremely short term, if it even materialises at all.

So, while there may be a problem with antisemitism and him, I don't see it as a problem at the moment. The labour party is much more mainstream and a present danger. So that has to be the prime focus.

I agree with all of this.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Farage may be antisemitic, i don't really know, i think the stuff highlighted in this thread is tenuous at best. I think there are at least 100 different other reasons I would never consider voting for him or his latest party. Unlike others, I think any success that Farage will have will be extremely short term, if it even materialises at all.

So, while there may be a problem with antisemitism and him, I don't see it as a problem at the moment. The labour party is much more mainstream and a present danger. So that has to be the prime focus.

It was a headline when the infowars stuff emerged last week so I reported it. Then discovered the older stuff.
He says a lot of crazy **** so it's time it was highlighted here.
A third rate career politician pretending to be a saviour but peddling ****. Sorry no can do.

[Twosugars]

I'm beginning to think his hatred of the eu is based on the same whacky ideas

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

You have to dig really deep for this stuff, I think.

So,, Anti-Semitism is only bad when it's associated with labour, got it. It's not anti-semitism if it comes from the right wing, I guess?

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...riticise-soros

Farage criticised for using antisemitic themes to criticise Soros
Guardian reveals Brexit party leader called financier ‘biggest danger to western world’
Nigel Farage’s Brexit party has described criticism by Jewish groups and MPs as “pathetic” after it emerged he repeatedly used themes associated with antisemitism to criticise the financier George Soros.

Following strong condemnation of Farage’s use of language, echoing other conspiracy theories popular with antisemites, during interviews with the far-right US website Infowars, a Guardian investigation has found he called Soros “the biggest danger to the entire western world”, among other comments.

The Community Security Trust, which monitors and counters antisemitic sentiment, said Soros was a favourite hate figure among far-right antisemites. “Instead of dismissing these concerns, Nigel Farage should ensure that his language does not help these ideas to spread in British politics,” the charity said.

Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs from the all-party parliamentary group against antisemitism also expressed concern. Nicky Morgan, the Conservative former education secretary, said it was “lazy and deliberately divisive dog-whistle politics to attack someone, however subtly, because of their gender, race or religion”.

In response, a Brexit party spokesman said the criticism was “an exceptionally feeble attempt to portray Nigel Farage as an antisemite”, calling it “lamentable” and “pathetic”.

Farage’s claims include that Soros wants to fundamentally reshape Europe’s racial makeup and to end the continent’s Christian culture. He also praised Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, for having the “courage to stand up against him”.

Soros, a Jewish-born Hungarian-American, is accused by Farage, Orbán and others of using his wealth to spread liberal doctrines through the work of his Open Society Foundations, to which he has transferred billions of pounds of his wealth.

However, Jewish groups say portrayals of Soros as a scheming puppet-master – as frequently used by Orbán – regularly spill over into antisemitic conspiracy theories of Jewish bankers controlling governments.

The Guardian has found that in an interview with the US network Fox News in June last year, Farage said Soros “in many ways is the biggest danger to the entire western world”.

Farage said Soros sought “to undermine democracy and to fundamentally change the makeup, demographically, of the whole European continent”. The latter claim directly echoes conspiracy theories against Soros made by far-right groups such as Generation Identity.

In other interviews and speeches in 2017 and 2018, Farage:

Said Soros “wants to break down the fundamental values of our society and, in the case of Europe, he doesn’t want Europe to be based on Christianity”.
Claimed the EU was funded and influenced “by the Goldman Sachs, the JP Morgans, and a particular Hungarian called Mr Soros”.
Alleged the work of Soros’s foundation could amount to “the biggest level of political collusion in history”.
Argued criticising Soros should not be seen as antisemitic since Soros was in fact an atheist.
Theresa Villiers, the Conservative MP who is a vice-chair of the parliamentary antisemitism group, said: “Anyone who holds elected office should take particular care with the language they use about minority groups.

“Antisemitic conspiracy theories have been causing harm for centuries. Those who speculate about conspiracy theories therefore run the risk of energising antisemitism, particularly if they combine that with reference to individuals from the Jewish community.”

Labour’s Wes Streeting, also a vice-chair, said: “Nigel Farage doesn’t want to answer questions about his smears against George Soros, because they play into some of the worst antisemitic tropes.

“He is in the gutter, capitalising on a rising tide of antisemitic conspiracy theories to peddle his political message. It is no more respectable than the racism he left behind in Ukip.”

The Lib Dem MP Tom Brake, also one of the group’s vice-chairs, said: “The suggestion that Nigel Farage can be judge and jury over what constitutes antisemitism is abhorrent, not least because of the very dubious comments he has made in the past. Despite his attempts to recast himself at these elections, the mask has already slipped.”

[bots]

Soros is a threat to western governments because he exploits and manipulates currency.

He single handed ****ed the UK over when we had the failed alignment with the euro ..... he was responsible for that and it cost us billions. What I am trying to point out is that Soros deserves a lot of the criticism he gets and it has nothing to do with religion

[Oliver_W]

I only skimmed the text wall but all the criticism of Soros is fair game.

To say talking about him is anti-Semetic is a real reach.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Soros is a threat to western governments because he exploits and manipulates currency.

He single handed ****ed the UK over when we had the failed alignment with the euro ..... he was responsible for that and it cost us billions. What I am trying to point out is that Soros deserves a lot of the criticism he gets and it has nothing to do with religion

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I only skimmed the text wall but all the criticism of Soros is fair game.

To say talking about him is anti-Semetic is a real reach.

Tell that to CST

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Tell that to CST

They didn't say "Farage has said anti-Semetic things."

They said "some of the things he's said have also been said by nastywasty meanies, and we don't want that on mainstream politics!!! 111"

Just because some undesirable people have talked about Soros, that doesn't mean any discussion or criticism of him should be off the table for fear of "legitimising nazis", especially when Soros is harmful.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They didn't say "Farage has said anti-Semetic things."

They said "some of the things he's said have also been said by nastywasty meanies, and we don't want that on mainstream politics!!! 111"

Just because some undesirable people have talked about Soros, that doesn't mean any discussion or criticism of him should be off the table for fear of "legitimising nazis", especially when Soros is harmful.

Semitic not semetic
They issued a warning to him

Soros is not the first or last to speculate in currencies. Its capitalism of which you're so fond. I take you've heard of stock exchange?
And he's plowing his money into charitable projects

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

And he's plowing his money into charitable projects

Giving money to BLM and the caravan of illegals doesn't exactly go in his favour.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Giving money to BLM and the caravan of illegals doesn't exactly go in his favour.

Why is it a bad thing that he donates money to BLM?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why is it a bad thing that he donates money to BLM?

Because they're just a bunch of violent reactionaries.

I'm sure he'd be able to find a more productive and less violent group which stands for racial equality to fund.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because they're just a bunch of violent reactionaries.

I'm sure he'd be able to find a more productive and less violent group which stands for racial equality to fund.

You clearly have zero understanding of what reactionary actually means.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because they're just a bunch of violent reactionaries.

I'm sure he'd be able to find a more productive and less violent group which stands for racial equality to fund.

That’s a very broad, inflammatory statement there

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That’s a very broad, inflammatory statement there

Oh noes.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because they're just a bunch of violent reactionaries.

I'm sure he'd be able to find a more productive and less violent group which stands for racial equality to fund.

What on earth are you on about?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh noes.

This is the serious debate section. Do you have a point to make?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

What on earth are you on about?

Yeah I admit my use of the word "reactionary"was misplaced.