Riverdale

[Nicky91]

season 3 is very good so far, quite dark

but latest episode we saw the entrance of Gina Gershon as

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Gladys Jones, mother of Jughead and Jellybean, estranged wife of FP

[Nicky91]

the gargoyle king who it is

eliminated suspects

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Hiram Lodge, cause we saw the gargoyle king standing in his office with Hiram himself, so it can't be him

i am still thinking it might be Claudius Blossom, a blossom is a psycho anyway honestly, especially Clifford's twin brother hmmm and we know he is in league with Hiram Lodge they did give us an hint, gargoyles/griffions is created by the most crazy kids who stayed at those sisters

[Jarrod]

The most frustrating thing is the break in episodes we have - next episode isn't until mid-Jan.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Jarrod

The most frustrating thing is the break in episodes we have - next episode isn't until mid-Jan.

yeah correct, but Supergirl, The Flash, Arrow also are doing episodes again mid-Jan, so probably the holiday break now

[Nicky91]

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new episode titles confirmed

first we get episode 9 called No Exit

episode 10: The Stranger (hmm is this a reference to edgar evernever's introduction or hiram's mistress arrival to riverdale )

episode 11: The Red Dahlia

episode 12: Bizarrodale

episode 13: Requiem for a welterweight

episode 14: Fire Walk with me

episode 15: Fifty Fifty

[Nicky91]

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episode 9, ok riverdale is now under Hiram's control

Archie in the woods, got a encounter with a bear, and began hallucinating about all the things he had done wrong, and did them right in this weird dream i was like WTF in reality he's more like comatose now


Veronica hiring the serpents as her security force against Hiram and his gargoyle gang


Betty wanted the sisters of quiet mercy to testify against Hiram, they weren't official nuns anymore so their silence wasn't valid Gargoyle King & Hiram bailed out the sisters and gave them a chance to ascend (suicide by cyanide poisoning) to prevent them from ever talking again to the police, Betty

overall a good episode, and i'm one step closer to finding out who the gargoyle king is one big clue what Alice said ''Edgar was just at her home'' so he knows the way around riverdale, but yet we never see him so far HMM

[DouglasS]

Veronica is probably one of the worst characters in TV history. She's written so poorly. Well the entire lodge family is. Her mother has a personality transplant every season and could clearly just be different mistresses of Huron. Huron is a ridiculous villan that is not beliavable. Veronica would have so much power and shes literally let her boyfriend/friends be attacked by her dad and still acts all lovey-dovey with him. Shes completely ridiculous and needs to be killed off asap.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I can’t deal with veronica, what a terrible character. Show would be much better if she was written off. Betty is far more interesting and better acted and suits being the Lead female (which she basically is now).

Veronica has ruined Archie also with this ongoing Lodges SL (which has ruined Hermione who has had a personality transplant). Kill off all the lodges they’re awful and dull.

Loving Betty’s family though, they’re well written, her mother is both rootable and tragic. Chic is a good addition as he’s properly messed up and a mini villain.

Cheryl is great on this show also, she needs to be used more

Archie also has way more chemistry with Betty than Veronica. Jughead needs to be less obsessed with the serpents also

Still the same as last year it seems. At least they've used Cheryl more this year, but they need to not constantly use Cheryl and Toni as an item. They're a rootable couple, but its constant.

Betty is still the best written character in this show and seems to be the only one to progress the plot along / stay true to her character.

[Nicky91]

last weeks ep was so emotional for me (Luke Perry's passing) and we saw his character Fred and i started crying a bit, goosebumps all over me

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Veronica is probably one of the worst characters in TV history. She's written so poorly. Well the entire lodge family is. Her mother has a personality transplant every season and could clearly just be different mistresses of Huron. Huron is a ridiculous villan that is not beliavable. Veronica would have so much power and shes literally let her boyfriend/friends be attacked by her dad and still acts all lovey-dovey with him. Shes completely ridiculous and needs to be killed off asap.

Veronica isn't a bad character

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she has way more Chemistry now with Reggie, them running that nightclub at basement of pop's

Hiram first i saw him as villain

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now not anymore more like Veronica tries to steer him to be a more good guy, i see Gladys Jones more as a villain

[Denver]

Can we not at the Gargoyle King being

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Jason Blossom

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Can we not at the Gargoyle King being

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Jason Blossom

I honestly think

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it's a red (ha) herring? Sounds like something they said to keep us watching. Apparently the series finale is full of twists, maybe Jason not being the Gargoyle King is the twist

I love how normal this bull**** is to Jughead and Betty. They're just like "only one way to be sure it's Jason. dig him up " rather than thinking "well he's dead so she's clearly bull****ting"

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Ant.

I honestly think

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it's a red (ha) herring? Sounds like something they said to keep us watching. Apparently the series finale is full of twists, maybe Jason not being the Gargoyle King is the twist

I love how normal this bull**** is to Jughead and Betty. They're just like "only one way to be sure it's Jason. dig him up " rather than thinking "well he's dead so she's clearly bull****ting"

I was and maybe still am convinced it is

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Chic as his story ending Abruptly and I dont think a body was found?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I was and maybe still am convinced it is

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Chic as his story ending Abruptly and I dont think a body was found?

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I'm not gonna lie, I've been thinking Chic. If I recall, the tattooist said a blond guy came in asking for a tattoo. Betty thought it'd be Evelyn's 'dad'/husband but it wasn't, I can't remember if they actually found out which guy it was who got the tattoo but the only other blond guy that comes to mind is Chic. Chic's barely been mentioned, was a pretty big character, yet had literally zero closure on his death. We're just supposed to believe that the Black Hood killed him, and if the Black Hood and the Gargoyle King are in kahoots with each other, it wouldn't be surprising if Hal/The Black Hood spared Chic if it meant Chic would undertake the role as Gargoyle King

[Denver]

So I was right the Gargoyle King being

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Chic

[Denver]

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I cant believe we didnt see Alice being undercover when it made the most sense

Also now we know what we always knew that Chic was fake

[Denver]

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its also Clear Jughead isnt dead but who is?

[Ant.]

so

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Not surprised by the Gargoyle King being Chic. The reveal was anticlimactic though. But I guess that happens when they make it obvious (unknown blond guy getting a tattoo, connection with Black Hood, etc)

Am I really supposed to believe Jason's dead corpse was believed to be real by Cheryl under hypnotherapy? I thought they'd say Chic was standing in for Cheryl's hallucinations when he was revealed to be taking the identity of Jason

So who WAS the original Gargoyle King? We know Penelope introduced the game but I also got the impression she wasn't the Gargoyle King originally, just helping them

The moment Betty said, "Do I know you?" to the detective, I knew he'd say he's Charles. What I wanna know is how he and Alice met. And how Betty's allowed to so publicly talk about her mum being an FBI detective.
It also just feels like a cliche fanfic with Betty and Jughead being recognised by the FBI as being good detectives.

So is every season from now on just gonna end with Hiram getting someone arrested? I'm getting bored of him.

So are we EVER gonna find out how the Farm caused so many teenagers to have seizures? Why's this some big mystery? The answer's not gonna be interesting/worth nearly a year wait

Was Polly in on Alice being an FBI agent?

Why is the Farm storyline taking longer than twenty ****ing two episodes/an entire season?

What the **** is Cheryl doing with Jason's corpse?

Are we meant to think Jughead's dead at the end? Because I'm not believing it for a second

[Glenn-C]

Originally Posted by Ant.

so

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Not surprised by the Gargoyle King being Chic. The reveal was anticlimactic though. But I guess that happens when they make it obvious (unknown blond guy getting a tattoo, connection with Black Hood, etc)

Am I really supposed to believe Jason's dead corpse was believed to be real by Cheryl under hypnotherapy? I thought they'd say Chic was standing in for Cheryl's hallucinations when he was revealed to be taking the identity of Jason

So who WAS the original Gargoyle King? We know Penelope introduced the game but I also got the impression she wasn't the Gargoyle King originally, just helping them

The moment Betty said, "Do I know you?" to the detective, I knew he'd say he's Charles. What I wanna know is how he and Alice met. And how Betty's allowed to so publicly talk about her mum being an FBI detective.
It also just feels like a cliche fanfic with Betty and Jughead being recognised by the FBI as being good detectives.

So is every season from now on just gonna end with Hiram getting someone arrested? I'm getting bored of him.

So are we EVER gonna find out how the Farm caused so many teenagers to have seizures? Why's this some big mystery? The answer's not gonna be interesting/worth nearly a year wait

Was Polly in on Alice being an FBI agent?

Why is the Farm storyline taking longer than twenty ****ing two episodes/an entire season?

What the **** is Cheryl doing with Jason's corpse?

Are we meant to think Jughead's dead at the end? Because I'm not believing it for a second

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The seizures happened because Hiram's drug lab poisoned the water supply or something I think it was barely mentioned about halfway through the season. The way Polly was standing in as the other Betty makes me think she's not working with Alice but she's working with Edgar for some reason.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Glenn-C

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The seizures happened because Hiram's drug lab poisoned the water supply or something I think it was barely mentioned about halfway through the season. The way Polly was standing in as the other Betty makes me think she's not working with Alice but she's working with Edgar for some reason.

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Oh I remember that now. Am I correct in saying only the girls suffered them? Young girls at that? I thought it was gonna be something specific to why such a small demographic suffered them

Ysee Id say that but Alice was... Also Bad to Betty. She almost made her homeless, tried to take out her entire college fund, and so much more that it feels to ****ed up that she was sacrificing her own daughter's safety for the sake of her job. Something fishy is going on

[montblanc]

Season 3

Cons

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• Alice being a secret agent the entire time makes no sense whatsoever
• Archie and Veronica getting back together in the end
• Cheryl's dialogue
• Everyone constantly saying "Endgame" is literally the most ANNOYING thing
• Gargoyle King storyline in general
• Josie's exit was so uneventful, deserved a better send off (also with her leaving that means most of the black characters are now gone )
• Kevin and Fangs are probably the worst "couple" on the show, no development at ALL
• The fact that they are supposed to be in present time while using typewriters, dial up phones, etc. is pretentious and try hard
• The Jailhouse Rock cheerleader thing

Pros

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• Entertaining
• Still messy but less messy than S2 imo
• The Farm storyline
there's probably more pros but it's easier to think of cons

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by montblanc

Season 3

Cons

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• Alice being a secret agent the entire time makes no sense whatsoever
• Archie and Veronica getting back together in the end
• Cheryl's dialogue
• Everyone constantly saying "Endgame" is literally the most ANNOYING thing
• Gargoyle King storyline in general
• Josie's exit was so uneventful, deserved a better send off (also with her leaving that means most of the black characters are now gone )
• Kevin and Fangs are probably the worst "couple" on the show, no development at ALL
• The fact that they are supposed to be in present time while using typewriters, dial up phones, etc. is pretentious and try hard
• The Jailhouse Rock cheerleader thing

Pros

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• Entertaining
• Still messy but less messy than S2 imo
• The Farm storyline
there's probably more pros but it's easier to think of cons

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Alice being a secret agent is simultaneously makes no sense while also being one of the sensical (not a word but ygm) moments of the finale... Jason's corpse isn't fully decomposed after a year (I'm assuming there's been a year between pre-S1 and S3?); Charles being alive and an FBI agent, and so much more... the ****

YES THE ENDGAME **** IS SO CRINGEY. And you know what else is? People unironically using their shipnames. Jughead: maybe a Vughead kiss is what we need to prevent a future Bughead from imploding (NOBODY ****ING SPEAKS LIKE THAT). And don't even get ME STARTED on Archie's mum, a grown women in her mid-thirties at the very youngest, saying, "I think you're endgame!". **** OFF!!

The typewriter **** makes sense for Jughead because he IS pretentious but yeah I agree with you with the rest. DEFINITEY trying to milk the 50s aesthetic

Cheryl's dialogue has always pissed me off. I couldn't care if Betty was her cousin or not, I just CRINGE when I hear her say "hello cousin ". i actually cringe anytime she speaks or appears ESPECIALLY with that funky music that goes on while she struts with that cinematography.... CRINGE

the only black characters now are Mad Dog, that chauvinistic piece of trash footballer, and Sierra McCoy now, right? And on that note, why didn't we see Josie say goodbye to her mum? AND did we even see Tom and Sierra get married?

yeah don't even get me started on Fangs and Kevin. It literally came out of nowhere. When the schools merged Kevin was clearly not interested in Fangs and Fangs has barely appeared on screen, and when he has, he's never been with Kevin. I think they shared like, a one comment conversation and exchanged glances last season when the schools merged but that's itat MOST. Ridiculous. Like I can't remember them getting together? They just rocked around in white farmy uniforms one day and we just sorta thought "okay are they meant to be together?" and they ****ing PUT them together? And for what? WHO did it develop? As bad as KevinXMoose was initially because it would've been better for Moose to heal from Midge first, at least both developed from the relationship - it was its own story and both benefited. With Fangs MIA for god knows how long, the only person whose gonna develop is Kevin, but his feelings of rejection are gonna stem from the fact he wasn't "good enough" to 'ascend', not because some guy he dated for like, 2 weeks at most left him. LITERALLY popped out of nowhere and was unnecessary. Their characters wouldn't be any different if their relationship just. didn't happen

[Tom4784]

The show is meant to be anachronistic so the 50's tech in modern times isn't really an issue.

I actually watched the whole of season 3 a while back after initially giving up on it after a few episodes. It was woeful, nonsensical and it's writing was nonexistent. It's entertaining in how bad it is but it's a world away from the surprising good guilty pleasure that Season 1 was.

[LukeB]

I haven't watched any of season 3, is it any good?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I haven't watched any of season 3, is it any good?

it's got its many many flaws, but I lowkey enjoyed it, but that's because my expectations are very low. I don't expect much and I accept that it's cringey as **** and having those low expectations make it more enjoyable for me - this is a show where people walk around and say "I beg your misogynistic pardon?" in conversation unironically, after all

If you enjoyed season 1 and 2 for the characters and the twists (no matter how nonsensical they are), there's definitely something to enjoy here. but just expect a lot of it to be nonsensical, and missing some aspects on Season 1 and 2 that gave the show its charm in the first place (minor spoilers-ish for elaboration in spoiler below)

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it feels like we barely see the "core four" together which really annoys me because its that dynamic which keeps me interested