[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Up to you, you seem to have put a fair bit of effort into the reply though so it seems a bit daft to waste it? And its already inspired other discussion too. Plus, keeping a thread specifically about one kind of sex seems a bit, restrictive anyway so surely different stuff would be brought up at some stage anyway..

Will have a look at the thread/forum in the morning and decide what to do with it all as really not in the best headspace right now Really hope it doesnt all end up kicking off given its kind of my fault!

Will prob make a thread on the 'teaching pleasure' thing though, as while its mainly online chatter at the moment, it has been drawn up by a prominent campaigner, and apparently as a random 'fun fact' has been backed by Stephen Fry too. Though what relevance that has to anything I don't know Will read up more on it anyway, before posting to be sure I have understood it all right..

Night (:

That post wasn't effort, it was procrastination and hmm good point. If you're sure I'll keep it up but you're free to slap my wrist if we wake up tomorrow and the tin of beans has been ripped open and spilt everywhere jokes aside, you only really said that sex ed is becoming more and more about pleasure (which is relevant to bring up when we're discussing what should and shouldn't be taught about sex ed surely?)

I look forward to reading it, mainly because a. I'll have forgotten this in the morning so seeing a thread on the side in the next few days will remind me, and b. you've got some good points already so it'll be good to see them more developed

Night (: sleep well

[Amy Jade]

We had sex ed in year 9 (14 years old) in school which was too late really. One girl from our year was already pregnant by the time we got it and I think at 14 I was well aware really.

I can't remember if anal sex was discussed. The teacher who took our sex ed was a mess though she was discussing masturbation and asked a class full about how girls can masturbate safely at home and it literally decended into chaos of people shouting out objects to shove up your fudgie

[Redway]

Times like this make me wish I could turn on selective amnesia.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And what are the best ways to approach it.

WTAF Parmy !!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

WTAF Parmy !!

What..!

All.I'm saying is that if anal sex is taught in schools then it must be taught to everyone, and I think as a father myself that not very many fathers will be happy about thier 13 14 yr old daughters being taught about boys sticking thier willies up thier bums..


I don't think that's to much to ask.

[thesheriff443]

Making threads like this, you get some members trying to make the poster out as some weirdo.

Sex education should start with this statement, firstly we are all individuals and should respect each other regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation .

Our sex Ed was showing how to put a condom on a banana I think,long time ago, and that as a girl you should not be pressured into having sex.

I do remember one girl called Emma throwing up over the floor.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What..!

All.I'm saying is that if anal sex is taught in schools then it must be taught to everyone, and I think as a father myself that not very many fathers will be happy about thier 13 14 yr old daughters being taught about boys sticking thier willies up thier bums..


I don't think that's to much to ask.

But in the same world some dads like to put it in the wife’s chocolate star fish.

Last sentence will see Josy lose her lunch.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But in the same world some dads like to put it in the wife’s chocolate star fish.

Last sentence will see Josy lose her lunch.

Exactly...and that's another point.....what child wants to know that mum and dad could be doing it.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Exactly...and that's another point.....what child wants to know that mum and dad could be doing it.

Some dads are doing it to their kids, we live in a sick world, kids are not kids for long now.

I think you would be shocked at what kids know by the age of ten.

Sit near a group of kids in McDonald’s and hear the language they are using and what they are talking about, it’s an eye opener to say the least.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some dads are doing it to their kids, we live in a sick world, kids are not kids for long now.

I think you would be shocked at what kids know by the age of ten.

Sit near a group of kids in McDonald’s and hear the language they are using and what they are talking about, it’s an eye opener to say the least.

Well if any of them mentioned a fudgie I would be thinking they were on about the new milkshake flavours.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well if any of them mentioned a fudgie I would be thinking they were on about the new milkshake flavours.

Eight and nine year olds are sending nude photos of themselves, the age of innocence is gone for most.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Eight and nine year olds are sending nude photos of themselves, the age of innocence is gone for most.

The internets ruining the world...I worry people are being brainwashed by the internet...especially kids as thier brains go through the maturing process.

[Niamh.]

I actually think porn should be brought up in sex ed classes with teenagers, in a "don't use this as a how to manual" kind of a way. It definitely could give people unreal and unfair expectations of partners

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The internets ruining the world...I worry people are being brainwashed by the internet...especially kids as thier brains go through the maturing process.

Unfortunately , there is a good and bad side to the internet.

[Cal.]

You went to the nurse at my school and she gave you a c card for free condoms.

[user104658]

Tbh I think an important part of that conversation has to be that there is no 100% safe way to have anal sex, and make it clear that you only EVER have to engage in sex acts that you enjoy and are comfortable with. Women don't "have to" have anal sex, Homosexual men don't "have to" have anal sex, and in fact I believe statistically the majority of encounters for most gay men involve manual and oral, and anal is less common (or never for many).

Basically there should obviously be no judgement for everyone enjoying whatever they want to enjoy consensually, but there are HUGE myths around anal sex being "expected" of women, and "essential" for gay men, and those are pretty damaging in themselves.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I actually think porn should be brought up in sex ed classes with teenagers, in a "don't use this as a how to manual" kind of a way. It definitely could give people unreal and unfair expectations of partners

I think the fashion industry needs to be held accountable for making women girls feel uncomfortable in there own bodies.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cal.

You went to the nurse at my school and she gave you a c card for free condoms.

As much as I see the need for this surely that is something only a parent should be deciding.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I actually think porn should be brought up in sex ed classes with teenagers, in a "don't use this as a how to manual" kind of a way. It definitely could give people unreal and unfair expectations of partners

Yeah it is apparently a huge problem... a major one is people (both the male and the female) believing that deep-throating is a normal part of oral .

Also inexperienced guys thinking that the woman "clearly isn't enjoying it" if she isn't screeching and convulsing around the bed - or women believing that they have to put on that "show" to convey that they are having a good time .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tbh I think an important part of that conversation has to be that there is no 100% safe way to have anal sex, and make it clear that you only EVER have to engage in sex acts that you enjoy and are comfortable with. Women don't "have to" have anal sex, Homosexual men don't "have to" have anal sex, and in fact I believe statistically the majority of encounters for most gay men involve manual and oral, and anal is less common (or never for many).

Basically there should obviously be no judgement for everyone enjoying whatever they want to enjoy consensually, but there are HUGE myths around anal sex being "expected" of women, and "essential" for gay men, and those are pretty damaging in themselves.

Yes 100%. Especially in this age where so much is available and said online, somebody needs to be telling teens that just because someone on the internet said this is what you have to do or what's expected doesn't mean you have to or that's what "everyone" does. The most important lesson should be it's your body and you do only what you're comfortable doing

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

As much as I see the need for this surely that is something only a parent should be deciding.

A teenager who wants to have sex isn't going to abstain because they couldn't get condoms at school. They're just going to do it anyway and end up with an STI or pregnant / getting someone pregnant. In an ideal world every kid would have understanding parents who they can talk to about these things but in the real world, there are a lot of teens who would never DREAM of talking to their parents about sex, for fear of anger / punishment, and I'd much rather those kids have somewhere to learn how to be safe / get protection elsewhere... because the alternative is unprotected sex.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tbh I think an important part of that conversation has to be that there is no 100% safe way to have anal sex, and make it clear that you only EVER have to engage in sex acts that you enjoy and are comfortable with. Women don't "have to" have anal sex, Homosexual men don't "have to" have anal sex, and in fact I believe statistically the majority of encounters for most gay men involve manual and oral, and anal is less common (or never for many).

Basically there should obviously be no judgement for everyone enjoying whatever they want to enjoy consensually, but there are HUGE myths around anal sex being "expected" of women, and "essential" for gay men, and those are pretty damaging in themselves.

Woah, woah, woah, woah, slow down cowboy, lets not go overboard!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A teenager who wants to have sex isn't going to abstain because they couldn't get condoms at school. They're just going to do it anyway and end up with an STI or pregnant / getting someone pregnant. In an ideal world every kid would have understanding parents who they can talk to about these things but in the real world, there are a lot of teens who would never DREAM of talking to their parents about sex, for fear of anger / punishment, and I'd much rather those kids have somewhere to learn how to be safe / get protection elsewhere... because the alternative is unprotected sex.

I get your concerns but surely you would think parents would have to sign a consent form of some sort beforehand.

And come on, what on earth are schools thinking about giving out condoms in school hours..surely that's inticing children to break the law...it's weird like...bit of a catch 22 really.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I get your concerns but surely you would think parents would have to sign a consent form of some sort beforehand.

And come on, what on earth are schools thinking about giving out condoms in school hours..surely that's inticing children to break the law...it's weird like...bit of a catch 22 really.

It's education, a parent consents to the education implicitly by sending children to school. You don't have to sign a consent form for children to be taught algebra or Roman history, so you don't have to sign a consent form for sex ed .

As for "enticing", I don't think it works like that, but no I wouldn't advocate them "giving out" condoms to everyone as standard... just that they should be available for people to take freely / discreetly. Like I said the alternative is usually unprotected sex rather than abstaining. Also I'd assume we're talking about 13/14+ year olds here, not young children.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's education, a parent consents to the education implicitly by sending children to school. You don't have to sign a consent form for children to be taught algebra or Roman history, so you don't have to sign a consent form for sex ed .

As for "enticing", I don't think it works like that, but no I wouldn't advocate them "giving out" condoms to everyone as standard... just that they should be available for people to take freely / discreetly. Like I said the alternative is usually unprotected sex rather than abstaining. Also I'd assume we're talking about 13/14+ year olds here, not young children.

Yeah but don't you have to be 16 to legqally have sex in the uk, so by handing out the condoms to underagers the schools are actually aiding and abetting a possible crime?