[reece(:]

Labour's David Lammy, Ian Murray and Martin Whitfield have blasted Corbyn's mess of an EU election and indecision

[Liam-]

He tired to make both sides happy, which in circumstances like these ones, will never work

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He tired to make both sides happy, which in circumstances like these ones, will never work

Thats all he ever ****ing does. He needs to actually make a decision on something and stick to it, rather than flip flopping all over trying to please both sides. I genuinely can't believe I fell for all his bluster not that long ago and voted for him. I am polar opposite on him now, where I did think he was the saviour of the country for gods sake Its hilarious looking back, almost like joining a cult, I ignored everything bad and just thought he was amazing. His speeches were great, but I see now that its basically just..saying the right words for wherever you are speaking at. No actual...plan or..go. Just words. So, no good at all really.

[Vicky.]

See stuff like this.. 'Jeremy Corbyn has hinted the Labour Party may move towards backing a second referendum after a dismal European elections.'...hinted isn't really good enough. Put the damn foot down and chose.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/27/corby...WVkCdobyvNaGus

[Twosugars]

Corbyn's problem is he is a brexiter leading a remain party. 75% of Labour members are remain.
He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Corbyn's problem is he is a brexiter leading a remain party. 75% of Labour members are remain.
He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

Agreed, hes the main reason I feel I cannot vote for Labour these days, after voting for them since I could!

He will cling on though, and anyone challenging him will be defeated. The only way he will go is if he voluntarily steps dpwn, which is unlikely. Mind, I think being wiped out in a GE might finally make him take notice. Unfortunately, I stil think people will be loyal and vote Labour regardless, so they won't get the crushing defeat they deserve. Having said that, the Tories deserve a bigger defeat. But..who on earth will defeat them? I know Lib Dems have picked up a lot of support in this, but willl that translate into GE votes? I really want both Lanbour and Tories to be wiped out so they rethink everything, but am unsure who I want to wipe them out as the other options are..dodgy too.

The only good thing about this ****show, is that the next GE is slightly unpredictable. The bad thing, is that there is a chance, albeit a small one, that Farages party will get a lot of seats, and they appear to be further right than the Tories in their views (mind, of course their views aren't that known, given people voted for them without knowing them to start with...) :S

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

What are his wrong reasons, and in your opinion what would be some right reasons, if any?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by parmnion

European Election Results headlines:
- Brexit Party win with 32% of the vote
- Lib Dems second, ahead of Labour
- Worst Conservative performance ever.
Here's everything you need to know.


This is the only thing sending a clear message....32 percent of the vote......how lon has that party been running for again?.....32 percent of the vote....just let that sink in..

I know. Much less than the remain parties.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Oh yes the hard brexit Tories including hard brexiteer MPs Ken Clarke, Dom Grieve, Amber Rudd and Phillip Hammond etc !!! (the latter said he would vote against a no deal Tory whip)

I've many Conservative friends too, who don't want anything like a hard brexit.
They either want a deal or to revoke article 50 altogether.

I have very few Labour friends who would support a no deal or hard brexit.
They want another referendum.

Labour much moreso to a beneficial deal or remain should be the road we go on.
With another public vote on the issue.

Corbyn is in difficulty, he really wants to leave.
Labour voters mostly want to remain and the membership want a new referendum.
If Corbyn won't deliver what his voters want and membership wants..
He maybe should now after 5 years as leader.
Re think his position as leader.

The Conservatives have a big problem, Theresa May had an agreement to deliver a brexit.
Her hard-line group of the Party blocked leaving with that.
Now in a leadership election process with a likely stronger hard-line pro brexit leader to come.

They lost votes left,right and centre, falling to only 9% of the votes here.
Doesn't say much as to who is on offer in their leadership election.

It's a straight switch from UKIP to The Brexit party.
UKIP won 24 seats last time.
These have 28 now.
Up to 32% from 27% last time.
So a few more votes and seats admittedly but not earth shaking.

Labour must in my view, wish to get another vote to the public.
I'm now a convert to that myself.

A general election will only deliver another hung Parliament.
Likely compounding the problems in place now even more.

[MTVN]

The Tories slogan was literally 'the only party that can deliver Brexit' so it's odd they're not being included in a lot of graphs comparing Leave vs Remain. Fair eenough if you're talking specifically about hard Brexit but even then its looking extremely likely that the next Tory leader will be a hard Brexiteer

In the end there's a lot of selective interpretation of these results going on from both sides but it really doesn't say much about how another referendum would go given the turnout would be double. The country is still divided and that's the only definite conclusion you can make really

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Mind, for all Tommy Robinsons bluster, he did well didn't he Even with his many fanboys, nowhere.

hope he fades away into nothingness, finally.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Corbyn's problem is he is a brexiter leading a remain party. 75% of Labour members are remain.
He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

same here with our dutch Labour party, also pro-EU but the difference with our labour and british labour lies in the fact we have a better leader

Asscher (despite some criticism from fellow politicians) he's overall liked by an older and younger generation, also not anti-semitic what Corbyn also had been accused of by some


PVDA (had been more popular in parliament back in the days of wim kok, ruud lubbers) but i'm pleased they were the majority party for us in these elections

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

hope he fades away into nothingness, finally.

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.

Tommy Robinson playing the victim?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Tommy Robinson playing the victim?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories slogan was literally 'the only party that can deliver Brexit' so it's odd they're not being included in a lot of graphs comparing Leave vs Remain. Fair eenough if you're talking specifically about hard Brexit but even then its looking extremely likely that the next Tory leader will be a hard Brexiteer

In the end there's a lot of selective interpretation of these results going on from both sides but it really doesn't say much about how another referendum would go given the turnout would be double. The country is still divided and that's the only definite conclusion you can make really

Well it's not really being selective.
As if you think all the Conservatives are pro brexit only.
Then that takes the pro brexit votes to 44%.

If you do that, you then cannot discount Labours 14% to suit too.
Most of those voting Labour want a much closer aligned brexit or in the absence of that, no brexit at all.

So the bulk of Labour votes need to be taken as a world away from Farage's and the likes of frontrunners in the Conservative leadership.

So without Labour and Conservative inclusion.
It's as was said, 40% remain Parties.
35% strongly pro brexit Parties.

Add in the other 2 usually main Parties.
You at best are left with probably 52/3% remain Parties. and 47/8 strongly pro brexit Parties.
Had only the Brexit Party and say Lib Dems stood.
That could have been what resulted more than likely.

Speaking for myself, I once said I'd never consider voting Lib Dem again.
However in the scenario I put above.
I'd have voted Lib Dem against the Brexit one for sure.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

hope he fades away into nothingness, finally.

Of Course he will NOT
he got thousands voting for him
massive support


But as The Brexit Party did so well
he had no chance of a win

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.

He is busy editing more Videos
of the police that led the Extreme Muslims
who chucked rocks at him

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.

I did not know you watched all his videos, would not have put you down as a fan?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course he will NOT
he got thousands voting for him
massive support


But as The Brexit Party did so well
he had no chance of a win

A couple thousand isn’t very much and it’s not like he has much to fall back on. So.

[Tom4784]

Have they actually detailed any policies or plans yet or do they believe they don't ever have to do that since they got a bunch of uninformed ignorant people voting for them anyway so they don't need to be accountable for anything?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

A couple thousand isn’t very much and it’s not like he has much to fall back on. So.

Sure

[Beso]

Come on corbyn..do the right thing and resign.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I did not know you watched all his videos, would not have put you down as a fan?

'All' his videos? No thanks. have seen a few of them though

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well it's not really being selective.
As if you think all the Conservatives are pro brexit only.
Then that takes the pro brexit votes to 44%.

If you do that, you then cannot discount Labours 14% to suit too.
Most of those voting Labour want a much closer aligned brexit or in the absence of that, no brexit at all.

So the bulk of Labour votes need to be taken as a world away from Farage's and the likes of frontrunners in the Conservative leadership.

So without Labour and Conservative inclusion.
It's as was said, 40% remain Parties.
35% strongly pro brexit Parties.

Add in the other 2 usually main Parties.
You at best are left with probably 52/3% remain Parties. and 47/8 strongly pro brexit Parties.
Had only the Brexit Party and say Lib Dems stood.
That could have been what resulted more than likely.

Speaking for myself, I once said I'd never consider voting Lib Dem again.
However in the scenario I put above.
I'd have voted Lib Dem against the Brexit one for sure.

I'm not discounting Labour's 14% but they don't fit neatly into either Remain or Leave whereas the others do. Sure it's a world away from Farage but their stance is also quite far removed from the Lib Dems which is why most Remain campaigners were telling people not to vote Labour as they were a pro-Brexit party