[Livia]

I see it Vicky, comments that wouldn't be acceptable if they were aimed at a Left wing anti-Semite... although the same people will argue that anti-Semitism is just a tool with which to beat Corbyn... Comments like, His poor kids and I hope he gets bummed in prison - that's rape incidentally. A comment that if his teeth get knocked out in prison then he should stop going to prison with an "lolol".

The bottom line is that violence is never the answer.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I see it Vicky, comments that wouldn't be acceptable if they were aimed at a Left wing anti-Semite... although the same people will argue that anti-Semitism is just a tool with which to beat Corbyn... Comments like, His poor kids and I hope he gets bummed in prison - that's rape incidentally. A comment that if his teeth get knocked out in prison then he should stop going to prison with an "lolol".

Er, still not seeing this. Only one comment that seems slightly happy at the prospect of him being raped in prison..and that member is not left wing I certainly so not see 'all the lefties' happily talking about how he should be raped/beaten up.

Anyway, we shall agree to disagree as this will go in cicrles I reckon

The bottom line is that violence is never the answer.

Yup, agreed.

[Liam-]

How is me saying I feel sorry for his kids unacceptable? I do feel sorry for his kids, with a bigoted thug of a father in and out of prison, they deserve better than that, what’s wrong with saying that?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

How is me saying I feel sorry for his kids unacceptable? I do feel sorry for his kids, with a bigoted thug of a father in and out of prison, they deserve better than that, what’s wrong with saying that?

I do think generally speaking, kids should not be brought into stuff. But I see why you did it and am also failing to see how someone saying they feel sorry for his kids..is them advocating for violence against him. Mind, I don't personally think I would ever use 'what about their kids'..but thats me.

Maybe am still half asleep or something, but the only post that comes close to being happy if potential violence happens, is UserSince, and they could in no way ever be mistaken for a 'lefty' tbh, given the views they post anyway. Could be one of those who claims they are a leftie, yet actually is against everything the left stand for..that seems rather common these days

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

How is me saying I feel sorry for his kids unacceptable? I do feel sorry for his kids, with a bigoted thug of a father in and out of prison, they deserve better than that, what’s wrong with saying that?

I was surprised that's all. Because during Big Brother when housemates' kids are dragged into the argument, people get infracted.

[Northern Monkey]

Used to have some sympathy for where he came from and all the crap he went through in the past with some of the Muslims in his local community.
But now he’s tried to turn himself into some media star he’s become more and more transparent.
He’s thriving on negative attention and spreading fear.
Putting his own career and publicity ahead of getting convictions against the people he says he’s against.
Tosser basically and probably deserves to go back inside.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Livia is absolutely spot on with every point they make in this thread.

Except for for the fact she's wrong about everything and has spent a lot of tiem making out that anyone who is glad that the law has won is somehow sympathetic to peadophiles. If you think that is correct then you lack perspective.

Originally Posted by Livia

Thank you, Swan. I am not a Robinson fan, but to watch all the lefties, who get so bent out of shape at any suggestion of violence in their own ranks, actively supporting Robinson get beaten in prison is sickening, but predictable. People died for us to be able to stand up and air our views, but obviously that only really applies to the Left.

For someone who claims to not be a Robinson fan, you sound a lot like one. Once again, you are using the plight of the victims in the case that Tommy Robinson almost tore apart to push your agenda against the left and it's utterly reprehensible behaviour. It's like these victims are just tools to bash someone you dislike with.

I'm not gonna weep for a man that received plenty of warnings to stop breaking the law and refused to listen, I'm not gonna care if he gets attacked in prison when he has a history of provoking people in order to be seen as a victim, I'm not gonna spare a thought for a violent man who receives violence in return.

He is a hate fuelled bigot and he is not deserving of sympathy as his situation is one of his own making. I won't wish harm on him but that doesn't mean I'll pretend to shed a tear if his actions have consequences.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was surprised that's all. Because during Big Brother when housemates' kids are dragged into the argument, people get infracted.

Except they didn't.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was surprised that's all. Because during Big Brother when housemates' kids are dragged into the argument, people get infracted.

I think there's a difference between calling someone a terrible parent or casting aspersions about someone when we don't know them as a parent and saying you feel sorry for someone's kids that their parent is going to prison. :/

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not gonna care if he gets attacked in prison when he has a history of provoking people

Nice victim blaming there. No amount of words justify violence.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nice victim blaming there. No amount of words justify violence.

Not condoning violence doesn't mean you have to care, though, and also to suggest that Tommy Robinson has only ever used "words" is flat out false. Just a couple of months ago he was in Portugal sucker-punching a bloke in the back of the head.

So meh. I don't "hope" for him to get attacked in prison and I 100% believe that prisons have a duty of care over their prisoners to try to ensure that one one is attacked (and that failing would be my main concern, we're he to be hurt in prison)... However, I'm not going to lose any sleep over the idea that he might be attacked, or suggest that he should be spared prison because his own actions have put him at increased risk.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nice victim blaming there. No amount of words justify violence.

Goebbels?

[Twosugars]

Also we saw a thuggery from his supporters, throwing bottles at the police and attacking journalists

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Also we saw a thuggery from his supporters, throwing bottles at the police and attacking journalists

We can see thuggery from people on all sides of the political spectrum, but people are responsible for their own actions. I wouldn't blame Corbyn for the actions of Momentum.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

We can see thuggery from people on all sides of the political spectrum, but people are responsible for their own actions. I wouldn't blame Corbyn for the actions of Momentum.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So you would blame him? Why?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

How is me saying I feel sorry for his kids unacceptable? I do feel sorry for his kids, with a bigoted thug of a father in and out of prison, they deserve better than that, what’s wrong with saying that?

Nothing wrong at all in that Liam.

Reading through this thread I'm just glad as Ammi said earlier.
Well done to the justice system.

In my view too, he got what was deserved.
Maybe I'd add, a little lenient but nevertheless a good result.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So you would blame him? Why?

The facepalm was at your failure to grasp a very simple concept.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The facepalm was at your failure to grasp a very simple concept.

Then actually say what you mean, you're capable of making points without resorting to emojis

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was surprised that's all. Because during Big Brother when housemates' kids are dragged into the argument, people get infracted.

Not really Liv.

Pretty sure the year Lateysha was a housemate a few members were posting incredibly mean comments about her child and her parenting and they couldn't have been warned because the comments were posted multiple times by the same few people.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then actually say what you mean, you're capable of making points without resorting to emojis

And you're capable of understanding basic logic, you're not a child.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I see it Vicky, comments that wouldn't be acceptable if they were aimed at a Left wing anti-Semite... although the same people will argue that anti-Semitism is just a tool with which to beat Corbyn... Comments like, His poor kids and I hope he gets bummed in prison - that's rape incidentally. A comment that if his teeth get knocked out in prison then he should stop going to prison with an "lolol".

The bottom line is that violence is never the answer.

Oh you've managed to twist this thread round to your own agenda well done! Yes I was the one to suggest it will impact on his children... and it will, that's not my fault, nor is it Jeremy Corbyns fault. It's Tommys fault for breaking the law.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I do feel sorry for his kids yes, they’re probably going to learn by example and become horrible little bigots just like daddy and it won’t be their fault, it’ll be his, so yes, I do have sympathy from them.

Does that mean I can’t have sympathy for other people? No it doesn’t.

What about tommy when he was little, I don't know but what if his father brought him up to be a bigot....and what about his father's fathers fathers father....where does your sympathy stop and start?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nice victim blaming there. No amount of words justify violence.

Nice reading comprehension there.

I'm not justifying violence, I simply don't care about Robinson when he has a history of being violent towards others and baiting out certain responses to profit from it later.

If you think that's me justifying violence against him and not showing off my apathy towards a man who thrives off reactions getting the reaction he wants then you need to read what I'm saying again.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

We can see thuggery from people on all sides of the political spectrum, but people are responsible for their own actions. I wouldn't blame Corbyn for the actions of Momentum.

Entitled centrism and whataboutism.