[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm amused how some on here can be adamant that Anti-Semetism exists in the Labour party with no evidence (apart from the 0.01% obviously) but refuses to accept racism does..even when it's right in front of you :/

Who has said racism doesn't exist , the conversation has moved on to acceptable terminology, and its ever changing face, if I didn't post on TiBB I doubt I would be aware of the term POC and I remember when it was first used in BB related post, a lot of people had to ask what the it stood for as they had never heard it used previously

[Kizzy]

Nope the conversation has moved on to why 'coloured' should be an acceptable term. We've had the , well they like it!.. the, it was perfectly acceptable 50 yr ago! and now what? I'm just so ignorant I can't be held responsible for offending people?...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope the conversation has moved on to why 'coloured' should be an acceptable term. We've had the , well they like it!.. the, it was perfectly acceptable 50 yr ago! and now what? I'm just so ignorant I can't be held responsible for offending people?...

You've summed up the thread quite well actually

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope the conversation has moved on to why 'coloured' should be an acceptable term. We've had the , well they like it!.. the, it was perfectly acceptable 50 yr ago! and now what? I'm just so ignorant I can't be held responsible for offending people?...

Indeed.
Very well said Kizzy.
Nothing more to add, I agree with Twosugars, you summed it up well.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope the conversation has moved on to why 'coloured' should be an acceptable term. We've had the , well they like it!.. the, it was perfectly acceptable 50 yr ago! and now what? I'm just so ignorant I can't be held responsible for offending people?...

You've summed up about a dozen threads in Sd in one post.

[lime]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You've summed up about a dozen threads in Sd in one post.

For the first time you have dissapointed me ...Colored means something differerent in Africa...It's not a case of like in US during segeration that areas were allocated to "colored " During Aparhereid it was whites only..

[lime]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope the conversation has moved on to why 'coloured' should be an acceptable term. We've had the , well they like it!.. the, it was perfectly acceptable 50 yr ago! and now what? I'm just so ignorant I can't be held responsible for offending people?...

The only ignorant comment is coming from YOU,I dare you to go to SA and call colored people black...

It's not a case of they accepted it ..During Apartheid..It was WHITES ONLY..So coloured and black were not accpeted ,,,come back to me what you have spend a day in Africa

[Livia]

When a Muslim man demands that only a female doctor can touch his wife or daughter, is that sexist? Or is that acceptable?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by lime

The only ignorant comment is coming from YOU,I dare you to go to SA and call colored people black...

It's not a case of they accepted it ..During Apartheid..It was WHITES ONLY..So coloured and black were not accpeted ,,,come back to me what you have spend a day in Africa

Quite frustrating Lime hey.
Coloured is derogatory in British culture, Colored is something to be proud of in South African culture.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

The only ignorant comment is coming from YOU,I dare you to go to SA and call colored people black...

It's not a case of they accepted it ..During Apartheid..It was WHITES ONLY..So coloured and black were not accpeted ,,,come back to me what you have spend a day in Africa

Originally Posted by smudgie

Quite frustrating Lime hey.
Coloured is derogatory in British culture, Colored is something to be proud of in South African culture.

Your personal experiences or the fact that you actually lived in Africa matter not a jot, we must all fall in to line and use acceptable UK terminology even if this is not wanted or needed by the people being addressed….white saviours eh

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Your personal experiences or the fact that you actually lived in Africa matter not a jot, we must all fall in to line and use acceptable UK terminology even if this is not wanted or needed by the people being addressed….white saviours eh

How do you know its unwanted or not needed? Proof?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Your personal experiences or the fact that you actually lived in Africa matter not a jot, we must all fall in to line and use acceptable UK terminology even if this is not wanted or needed by the people being addressed….white saviours eh

It's hardly ever the people actually involved who make the most noise.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by lime

For the first time you have dissapointed me ...Colored means something differerent in Africa...It's not a case of like in US during segeration that areas were allocated to "colored " During Aparhereid it was whites only..

We have all accepted that in South Africa that the term has been claimed differently... but in North America and obviously the UK it still is not an acceptable way to address anyone. It's associated with slavery and ownership. It is not uplifting but a way for the white man to keep a foot on the neck of African people.
Why can't you accept the term means something different in another part of the world... the part we are discussing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

How do you know its unwanted or not needed? Proof?

Lime has just posted why it is unacceptable in SA? its safe to say that in it is the same in other African countries as well, for the record I would never use the word, my point was that what can and can't be used is not set in stone, when my son started primary school less than 20 years ago, you could not call someone brown, now you can, I would never have heard of PoC unless I was on Tibb, not everyone uses forums or social media, so its understandable that some people particularly older people will use terminology and not realise that they are being insulting

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's hardly ever the people actually involved who make the most noise.

So true Livia

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lime

For the first time you have dissapointed me ...Colored means something differerent in Africa...It's not a case of like in US during segeration that areas were allocated to "colored " During Aparhereid it was whites only..

I think Kizzys point is perfect on how the subject has changed in this thread.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

When a Muslim man demands that only a female doctor can touch his wife or daughter, is that sexist? Or is that acceptable?

Do you have an example? When that happens we'll discuss it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's hardly ever the people actually involved who make the most noise.

Not sure how this comment is relevant? Who are the people making the most noise?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lime has just posted why it is unacceptable in SA? its safe to say that in it is the same in other African countries as well, for the record I would never use the word, my point was that what can and can't be used is not set in stone, when my son started primary school less than 20 years ago, you could not call someone brown, now you can, I would never have heard of PoC unless I was on Tibb, not everyone uses forums or social media, so its understandable that some people particularly older people will use terminology and not realise that they are being insulting

So do you find it a huge problem then? Are you complaining on behalf of the elderly?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lime has just posted why it is unacceptable in SA? its safe to say that in it is the same in other African countries as well, for the record I would never use the word, my point was that what can and can't be used is not set in stone, when my son started primary school less than 20 years ago, you could not call someone brown, now you can, I would never have heard of PoC unless I was on Tibb, not everyone uses forums or social media, so its understandable that some people particularly older people will use terminology and not realise that they are being insulting

I know, I posted the bit from wikipedia about how the term coloured is perceived in SA and UK. There're cultural differences no question. But we need to be primarily concerned how things are seen in our culture. And as it happens the term coloured has bad connotations due to the segregation era in the US.
In SA it's not the case so Lime has a point about that there.
As whites the best we can do is to listen to black people in our midst and respect their wishes as to terminology. We cant make lazy excuses that something was ok 50 years ago or that we're ignorant. It's not that difficult to move with the times.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lime

The only ignorant comment is coming from YOU,I dare you to go to SA and call colored people black...

It's not a case of they accepted it ..During Apartheid..It was WHITES ONLY..So coloured and black were not accpeted ,,,come back to me what you have spend a day in Africa

Thanks for the hypothetical ...I dont live in Africa, I can only comment from a perspective that is relevant here which on this instance is within the UK.
I haven't advocated calling anyone anything btw :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

When a Muslim man demands that only a female doctor can touch his wife or daughter, is that sexist? Or is that acceptable?

Another hypothetical that has little to do with the thread in fairness, I am always asked if I would prefer a female doctor for some consultations so it's not really comparable.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

When a Muslim man demands that only a female doctor can touch his wife or daughter, is that sexist? Or is that acceptable?

That's a very dumb hypothetical because it has no relation to the original story. The man in story went to a hospital and demanded to see a white doctor, when they couldn't do that, he refused help and complained. There was no reason to his preference other than racism.

In your situation, the hospital would oblige if they can if it involved intimate examination, being uncomfortable with a doctor of the opposite sex handling your business is different to flat out refusing to see a non-white doctor. I shouldn't have to explain why because it's obvious. Also making your example about a muslim person is strange and rather telling in itself.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So do you find it a huge problem then? Are you complaining on behalf of the elderly?

I am not complaining about anything or speaking on behalf of anybody apart from myself, just saying there is a couple of generations out there who don't sit on the net all day or do social media or watch reality tv so keeping up with a changing situation isn't as simple as it is made out, as an example PoC I have mainly come across on TiBB, I have rarely heard this used in rl

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not complaining about anything or speaking on behalf of anybody apart from myself, just saying there is a couple of generations out there who don't sit on the net all day or do social media or watch reality tv so keeping up with a changing situation isn't as simple as it is made out, as an example PoC I have mainly come across on TiBB, I have rarely heard this used in rl

And yet for the entirety of my 40+ years in the planet.... predating the internet... calling someone coloured in western culture has been considered a racist term.
This is not a new thing