[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Way to go Oliver, sometimes it does come across as some people think they actually know more than the people involved ,

Just what do you mean by that.

The Labour Party is involved, I am a Labour party member.
I canvass and work voluntarily along with many Jewish members of the Party too.

I and others listen to the concerns of those leaving the Party.
The party has an investigation going on.
What more do you want,????

Those involved.
What are you on about.
The Jewish community feeling any antisemitism have to have their grievances dealt with.

However, with a complainant there is also those accused.
Who also have the right to be heard.

This investigation WILL hear all sides.
Whose not involved in your eyes.
Labour party members are very much involved actually.
It's our party too.

Are you saying they shouldn't be??

[Beso]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Just what do you mean by that.

The Labour Party is involved, I am a Labour party member.
I canvass and work voluntarily along with many Jewish members of the Party too.

I and others listen to the concerns of those leaving the Party.
The party has an investigation going on.
What more do you want,????

Those involved.
What are you on about.
The Jewish community feeling any antisemitism have to have their grievances dealt with.

However, with a complainant there is also those accused.
Who also have the right to be heard.

This investigation WILL hear all sides.
Whose not involved in your eyes.
Labour party members are very much involved actually.
It's our party too.

Are you saying they shouldn't be??

Can I ask a question joey please?

Ignore it if you want.

But what will you do if this is not dealt with appropriatly?

And as a canvasser what is your response to people on thier doorsteps when they bring this up?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can I ask a question joey please?

Ignore it if you want.

But what will you do if this is not dealt with appropriatly?

And as a canvasser what is your response to people on thier doorsteps when they bring this up?

I am happy to answer.

On doorsteps I listen and hold the stance I have all through here.
I abhor any antisemitism.
I want any , whether small or large pockets of it eradicated.

In the main on the doorstep that's what Labour voters want too.

In some areas it is seen as only a means to get rid of Corbyn.
I don't agree that is the case.

Obviously from non Labour voters, you get a different response.
I've had from some,:' I'll never vote for your party with this antisemitism in it''.
Then when walking away respecting that.
I've had said as I left. '' mind you I'd never vote for your party anyway''.

However I like to get a range of views which has had me and others express dissatisfaction with the Party's handling of it.
Which is why I welcomed this investigation.

Your first question.
If this investigation says antisemitism is rife in the Party.
Then I've already said on this thread.
I would leave the Party.

Hope I have answered your points raised.

[Beso]

Thank you joey..

A well balanced opinion and very honest..thanks for that.

One more wick question though...the people saying..I'd never vorlte for your lot anyway....do you see it as a lost vote or do you walk away thinking...that fat slob won't get out thier bed to vote anyway?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thank you joey..

A well balanced opinion and very honest..thanks for that.

One more wick question though...the people saying..I'd never vorlte for your lot anyway....do you see it as a lost vote or do you walk away thinking...that fat slob won't get out thier bed to vote anyway?

I am always sad at any votes possibly lost.

Obviously at times I don't know how strong they may be to another Party.
Usually Conservative voters in the majority are pleasant and just say they always vote Conservative.

I have when really getting foul abuse, which happens at times.
More in the EU referendum
Had to bite my tongue and not respond however.

No, I wouldn't think of anyone as a fat slob.
I never get personal or ever judge anyone on appearance.

I always find it interesting, educational and even exciting canvassing.
I love meeting new people and learning about their lives.
I've had many truly inspiring conversations especially with much older people.

Thank you for the questions parmnion.

[Beso]

May I ask just one more seeing as you are being very very honest..I like it.

If someone came to your door canvassing, offering certain opinions...would you bite your tongue then?.

[Beso]

And may i just add, I enjoy going into tower blocks in london to repair tvs and meeting and talking with other people...it is like a breath of fresh air sometimes..other times not.

I feel a daily report coming up on tibb.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

May I ask just one more seeing as you are being very very honest..I like it.

If someone came to your door canvassing, offering certain opinions...would you bite your tongue then?.

If the opinions they were offering were ones I didn't agree with.
I would challenge them with my own take on the issue.

If it was looking to get more hostile, and this has never happened, then I'd tell them to leave and close the door.

I have to say however, in face to face situations where you both hear the tone intended and see the reactions to what is being discussed from each other.
Then debate is made far easier with less negativity.

[Beso]

You should be most loved joey.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You should be most loved joey.

What do you mean should be?... He is!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What do you mean should be?... He is!

If I said, "YOU ARE MOST LOVED JOEY" he wouldn't have accepted it.

[Denver]

Corbyn wants Jews gone and that's fact

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Corbyn wants Jews gone and that's fact

Nowhere close to being a fact

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nowhere close to being a fact

He doesnt like them and will not give reasons why.

The fact he has failed to answer questions on his views and also his friendships with terrorists

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

He doesnt like them and will not give reasons why.

The fact he has failed to answer questions on his views and also his friendships with terrorists

He doesn’t give reasons because it’s blatantly not true

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He doesn’t give reasons because it’s blatantly not true

Yet he has never denied it and you cant fale pictures of him being pally pally with terrorists

[Livia]

Leading Jewish figures slam Labour's 'historic shame' over antisemitism

In a letter to the party, they say antisemitism has been 'protracted, sanctioned and propagated' by the Labour leadership

A group of prominent Jewish writers and public figures have written to Labour to express their “bewilderment and disgust” with the party’s handling of the antisemitism crisis.

Sir Simon Schama, Howard Jacobson, Tracy Ann Oberman, Simon Sebag Montefiore, Rabbi Julia Neuberger and Neil Blair all put their names to the letter, which argues that antisemitism has been “protracted, sanctioned and propagated by the leadership faction”.

It goes on to say that the pending investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) shames Labour in a similar way to the British National Party (BNP), which was investigated in 2010.

It reads: “The very fact that Labour is, like the BNP before it, being statutorily investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission for racism is not a matter of housekeeping but a taint of international, historic shame.

“It is clear this is not just about Jeremy Corbyn, but the pernicious world view of a faction that has – temporarily we hope – taken control of Labour.

“Trust between Corbyn’s Labour and most Jews in Britain appears to be fractured beyond repair.”

The letter, seen by the Observer and the Sunday Times, called on the party to establish an independent complaints body to investigate antisemitism – which it terms a “pool of poison in the party’s soul”.

Coming in the wake of the BBC Panorama exposé on the party’s failure to tackle antisemitism, the letter condemned Labour’s response to the whistleblowers’ allegations.

It said: “Damage limitation should not be the first priority for Labour. The Labour leadership remains determined to go on piously protesting its innocence, rejecting the message and blaming the messenger.

“Whistleblowers would be heroes to any other Labour Party; to this Labour Party they are traitors. Regrettable double standards are therefore operating, where Labour is keen to support whistleblowers elsewhere but not in its own house.”

Labour has denied that high-ranking party members interfered in the complaints system, as the programme claimed, insisting it is taking decisive action against antisemitism.

The party added that since Jennie Formby became general secretary, the rate at which antisemitism cases have been dealt with has increased more than four-fold.

A Labour spokesman said: “As we said when Panorama aired on Wednesday, the Labour Party will fully investigate any complaints concerning the antisemitic incidents reported by party members in interviews in the programme.

“Labour stands in solidarity with Jewish people and is fully committed to the support, defence and celebration of the Jewish community and its organisations.

“We will build on the improvements to our procedures made under Jennie Formby, and continue to act against this repugnant form of racism.”

Labour has also demanded that the BBC remove the Panorama documentary, which aired on Wednesday, from its iPlayer service.

Labour said on Sunday that the programme, which it described as “heavily slanted and inaccurate”, should be “removed from BBC iPlayer until basic facts are corrected, full and unedited quotes are used and an apology is issued”.

The BBC has defended the programme and its reporter, John Ware.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, called on Labour to end the “soap opera” over antisemitism, suggesting it should not be “going for” the whistleblowers.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...lower-1.486460

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Leading Jewish figures slam Labour's 'historic shame' over antisemitism

In a letter to the party, they say antisemitism has been 'protracted, sanctioned and propagated' by the Labour leadership

A group of prominent Jewish writers and public figures have written to Labour to express their “bewilderment and disgust” with the party’s handling of the antisemitism crisis.

Sir Simon Schama, Howard Jacobson, Tracy Ann Oberman, Simon Sebag Montefiore, Rabbi Julia Neuberger and Neil Blair all put their names to the letter, which argues that antisemitism has been “protracted, sanctioned and propagated by the leadership faction”.

It goes on to say that the pending investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) shames Labour in a similar way to the British National Party (BNP), which was investigated in 2010.

It reads: “The very fact that Labour is, like the BNP before it, being statutorily investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission for racism is not a matter of housekeeping but a taint of international, historic shame.

“It is clear this is not just about Jeremy Corbyn, but the pernicious world view of a faction that has – temporarily we hope – taken control of Labour.

“Trust between Corbyn’s Labour and most Jews in Britain appears to be fractured beyond repair.”

The letter, seen by the Observer and the Sunday Times, called on the party to establish an independent complaints body to investigate antisemitism – which it terms a “pool of poison in the party’s soul”.

Coming in the wake of the BBC Panorama exposé on the party’s failure to tackle antisemitism, the letter condemned Labour’s response to the whistleblowers’ allegations.

It said: “Damage limitation should not be the first priority for Labour. The Labour leadership remains determined to go on piously protesting its innocence, rejecting the message and blaming the messenger.

“Whistleblowers would be heroes to any other Labour Party; to this Labour Party they are traitors. Regrettable double standards are therefore operating, where Labour is keen to support whistleblowers elsewhere but not in its own house.”

Labour has denied that high-ranking party members interfered in the complaints system, as the programme claimed, insisting it is taking decisive action against antisemitism.

The party added that since Jennie Formby became general secretary, the rate at which antisemitism cases have been dealt with has increased more than four-fold.

A Labour spokesman said: “As we said when Panorama aired on Wednesday, the Labour Party will fully investigate any complaints concerning the antisemitic incidents reported by party members in interviews in the programme.

“Labour stands in solidarity with Jewish people and is fully committed to the support, defence and celebration of the Jewish community and its organisations.

“We will build on the improvements to our procedures made under Jennie Formby, and continue to act against this repugnant form of racism.”

Labour has also demanded that the BBC remove the Panorama documentary, which aired on Wednesday, from its iPlayer service.

Labour said on Sunday that the programme, which it described as “heavily slanted and inaccurate”, should be “removed from BBC iPlayer until basic facts are corrected, full and unedited quotes are used and an apology is issued”.

The BBC has defended the programme and its reporter, John Ware.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, called on Labour to end the “soap opera” over antisemitism, suggesting it should not be “going for” the whistleblowers.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...lower-1.486460

Sounds about right.
It needs sorting out, Labour needs to sort itself out if they want any chance of winning an election anytime soon.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

Leading Jewish figures slam Labour's 'historic shame' over antisemitism

In a letter to the party, they say antisemitism has been 'protracted, sanctioned and propagated' by the Labour leadership

A group of prominent Jewish writers and public figures have written to Labour to express their “bewilderment and disgust” with the party’s handling of the antisemitism crisis.

Sir Simon Schama, Howard Jacobson, Tracy Ann Oberman, Simon Sebag Montefiore, Rabbi Julia Neuberger and Neil Blair all put their names to the letter, which argues that antisemitism has been “protracted, sanctioned and propagated by the leadership faction”.

It goes on to say that the pending investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) shames Labour in a similar way to the British National Party (BNP), which was investigated in 2010.

It reads: “The very fact that Labour is, like the BNP before it, being statutorily investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission for racism is not a matter of housekeeping but a taint of international, historic shame.

“It is clear this is not just about Jeremy Corbyn, but the pernicious world view of a faction that has – temporarily we hope – taken control of Labour.

“Trust between Corbyn’s Labour and most Jews in Britain appears to be fractured beyond repair.”

The letter, seen by the Observer and the Sunday Times, called on the party to establish an independent complaints body to investigate antisemitism – which it terms a “pool of poison in the party’s soul”.

Coming in the wake of the BBC Panorama exposé on the party’s failure to tackle antisemitism, the letter condemned Labour’s response to the whistleblowers’ allegations.

It said: “Damage limitation should not be the first priority for Labour. The Labour leadership remains determined to go on piously protesting its innocence, rejecting the message and blaming the messenger.

“Whistleblowers would be heroes to any other Labour Party; to this Labour Party they are traitors. Regrettable double standards are therefore operating, where Labour is keen to support whistleblowers elsewhere but not in its own house.”

Labour has denied that high-ranking party members interfered in the complaints system, as the programme claimed, insisting it is taking decisive action against antisemitism.

The party added that since Jennie Formby became general secretary, the rate at which antisemitism cases have been dealt with has increased more than four-fold.

A Labour spokesman said: “As we said when Panorama aired on Wednesday, the Labour Party will fully investigate any complaints concerning the antisemitic incidents reported by party members in interviews in the programme.

“Labour stands in solidarity with Jewish people and is fully committed to the support, defence and celebration of the Jewish community and its organisations.

“We will build on the improvements to our procedures made under Jennie Formby, and continue to act against this repugnant form of racism.”

Labour has also demanded that the BBC remove the Panorama documentary, which aired on Wednesday, from its iPlayer service.

Labour said on Sunday that the programme, which it described as “heavily slanted and inaccurate”, should be “removed from BBC iPlayer until basic facts are corrected, full and unedited quotes are used and an apology is issued”.

The BBC has defended the programme and its reporter, John Ware.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, called on Labour to end the “soap opera” over antisemitism, suggesting it should not be “going for” the whistleblowers.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...lower-1.486460

Yeah but what do all those insiders really know, they shouldask someone who goes door-knocking for the party what the real deal is.

[Kizzy]

If I weren't on my phone I'd post the list of notable Jewish supporters of Labour who recently came together to react against the impact this has had on the Labour party. These academics are being sidelined here...There is no acknowledgement of their view why?
Are we being led to believe there is no Jewish support for Corbyns Labour....I take it that's what the mocking comments about door knocking are inferring?
Only it's not true...there is support clearly.

[Beso]

If I wern't on my phone I'd be along the pub having a couple of pints.

[Beso]

Have I got this right?

It's about the state of Israel and it's land taken from others...Jeremy backs the palastnians because it was originally thier land...but the Jewish religion disputes this....so Jeremy is against the state of Israel. ..thus against its people as well...because a state can't be a state without people.....so he sees the jewish population as intruders.....




But we are supposed to take in other people into the UK?


Is that right? I dunno.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah but what do all those insiders really know, they shouldask someone who goes door-knocking for the party what the real deal is.

Any need to be so personal?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Have I got this right?

It's about the state of Israel and it's land taken from others...Jeremy backs the palastnians because it was originally thier land...but the Jewish religion disputes this....so Jeremy is against the state of Israel. ..thus against its people as well...because a state can't be a state without people.....so he sees the jewish population as intruders.....




But we are supposed to take in other people into the UK?


Is that right? I dunno.

It's mostly that. Which is strange because it's mostly Labour supporters who remind us constantly that not all Muslims are terrorists, but can't grasp the fact that not all Jews are Israeli. Corbyn has no problem with the subjugation of women all over the Middle East. Women can't vote... but they can in Israel, whether they're Arab, Christian or Jew. It's the only democracy in the Middle East. Another reason why the Palestinians hate Israel.

[Liam-]

Criticising Israel isn’t the same as being anti-semitic