[Liam-]

There’s no ‘agreeing to disagree’ when it comes to racism and general bigotry imo, anything else yeah, but people shouldn’t stay quiet just for the sake of peace

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There’s no ‘agreeing to disagree’ when it comes to racism and general bigotry imo, anything else yeah, but people shouldn’t stay quiet just for the sake of peace

Most people wouldn't say the things the say in RL to peoples faces though, unless they are hard lined racists /bigots. Unfortunately, the internet gives the keyboard.warriors a springboard to voice views almost anonymously and you're right, views like that should be challenged although ultimately that challenge will fall on deaf ears

[Twosugars]

I believe that the 9/11 and the rise of muslim extremism plus the economic crisis of 2008 are to blame. They created conditions favourable to the rise of far right in the west.
The far right is trying to roll back time and make multiculturalism, reproductive rights, internatinal cooperation and tolerance into dirty words. They encourage selfishness and isolationism, they thrive on division. Internet is perfect medium to spread their poison by appealing to peoples baser instincts and by using peoples insecurities: economic, cultural etc They are helped by russia trying to destabilize the west for its own ends.
There's a reaction to that from progressives and so all gets polarized and nasty.
Look at the trump presidency and how much damage one well placed demagogue is able to create.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Most people wouldn't say the things the say in RL to peoples faces though, unless they are hard lined racists /bigots. Unfortunately, the internet gives the keyboard.warriors a springboard to voice views almost anonymously and you're right, views like that should be challenged although ultimately that challenge will fall on deaf ears

This is so true.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Most people wouldn't say the things the say in RL to peoples faces though, unless they are hard lined racists /bigots. Unfortunately, the internet gives the keyboard.warriors a springboard to voice views almost anonymously and you're right, views like that should be challenged although ultimately that challenge will fall on deaf ears

Spot on.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There’s no ‘agreeing to disagree’ when it comes to racism and general bigotry imo, anything else yeah, but people shouldn’t stay quiet just for the sake of peace

I agree totally.
Those issues are high tension ones at any given time.
Often those issues then crossover to become more personalised too.
Sometimes by only one or more debating the issue.
That then inflames greatly the already present underlying tensions.

I agree staying silent or rolling over and taking what's thrown out as to racism and bigotry is not the best thing to do.
Doing so can make the issue gain more ground and get significantly worse.

There's a lot of both divisive and toxic issues in politics right now..
Not just in the UK but around the World.
Even the general domestic issues, for too long avoided being really addressed, now for many years.
Have tensions that will surface after, at least for one issue,brexit is near sorted.
Wherever brexit may be even going and end up.
Still a good number of years to go on that issue too however.

Yes absolutely, I agree that bigotry and racism and from that, setting out to incite or fuel the divisions already of both.
Agreeing to disagree is the worst way out if debating both.

Some things have to be called out, otherwise as what has landed with politics after the EU referendum, as a good part of it.
Opening up more extreme and dangerous presentations of positions will only get even worse.