[Parmy]

To be fair...it's only fair every individual gets to chose *and be able to" decide what they want for themselves..

If you want to remain then eu must accommodate you and the UK must accommodate the brexiters...


Same with the Scots wanting to be in the UK. ..the Scots should have independence but England must accommodate the remainers...

It's only fair.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They'll never say that those who want to stay can stay, because none of them would choose to stay, and that looks bad, so they'll have to make it "mandatory".

Sadly TS
they have all gone home


Only Johnson is working hard
with his new manager
Dominic Cummings (who ran the Leave 2016 Campaign)

[Parmy]

I'm actually going to start showing an interestablished in politics again now Boris will be live on pms question time...he did corbyn today with a mere wave of the hand and a clever use of words ..

[Twosugars]

Boris Johnson drops target for getting annual net migration below 100,000



So much for limiting immigration

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I get where your coming from, but is the only reason you've been against another brexit vote because you want to go nanananana at brexiteers if it actually does go tits up?

I have other reasons but I think if you vote to change the status quo in such a significant way then you have to be prepared for the consequences. Hopefully such consequences will teach people to vote smarter in future although I doubt it. Brexiters will just place the blame for Brexit's failure at people who voted Remain.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm actually going to start showing an interestablished in politics again now Boris will be live on pms question time...he did corbyn today with a mere wave of the hand and a clever use of words ..

Does not compute.

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Boris Johnson drops target for getting annual net migration below 100,000



So much for limiting immigration

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Boris Johnson drops target for getting annual net migration below 100,000



So much for limiting immigration

Obviously its going to go up, when those new trade deals are made, the people from those countries will have visa free access as part of any deal, I wonder how much that will cost the treasury, probably some job losses as well

[bots]

Everyone is panicking saying what a right wing cabinet etc when in all likelihood there will be a GE before the end of the year and the tories will be a defunct party. I predict article 50 will be revoked before October 31st

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Obviously its going to go up, when those new trade deals are made, the people from those countries will have visa free access as part of any deal, I wonder how much that will cost the treasury, probably some job losses as well

Very true

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Everyone is panicking saying what a right wing cabinet etc when in all likelihood there will be a GE before the end of the year and the tories will be a defunct party. I predict article 50 will be revoked before October 31st

Do you really think that bitontheslide.

I'm one who would like to see that.
If it did, as you say, Johnson will lead the Conservatives to a disaster in the general election.

It is a right wing Cabinet which I already have found from people is being seen as more divisive.

Now Hunt to me, was not a leader either, however he got a third of the votes cast, to be leader.
They and wider Conservatives are possibly dismayed, Johnson failed to secure him in Cabinet.

Add to that the almost Cabinet now on the backbenches.
Some of whom determined to be as difficult on those backbenches, as Johnson and a good number of his new Cabinet were, during May's premiership.

There is more hope I'm hearing from Conservatives with Johnson as leader.
Without brexit, he could have at least held them as the largest party, if he put into action his words that is.

I don't believe polling anymore, and polls are rubbish in my view, the volatility of voters is at its highest point ever.
I don't believe though, there is even just majority support for a no deal.

So I hope you are reading it right and the vote to revoke article 50 is how no deal is prevented.

My fear is, and I'd be furious if they didn't, your prediction of revoking article 50 will need my Party's, Labour votes.
If they failed to support that, no matter the legs stretched across both sides of the brexit road policy, Labour has operated up to now.
Labour will pay heavily, in my view too if they failed to support revoking article 50.

[bots]

The reason I say it Joey is that this cabinet will polarise positions within parliament much further, there is next to no support for leaving without a deal. Politically, MP's can say that while supporting brexit with a deal is fine, but jumping off a cliff face is not. There is also the state of the union to consider, another powerful argument.

For conservatives, revoking artice 50 under those circumstances is going to be a lot more palatable than supporting a vote of no confidence in the government. That's why I think revoking article 50 will be the option chosen.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The reason I say it Joey is that this cabinet will polarise positions within parliament much further, there is next to no support for leaving without a deal. Politically, MP's can say that while supporting brexit with a deal is fine, but jumping off a cliff face is not. There is also the state of the union to consider, another powerful argument.

For conservatives, revoking artice 50 under those circumstances is going to be a lot more palatable than supporting a vote of no confidence in the government. That's why I think revoking article 50 will be the option chosen.

All strong points.
All makes sense and a way forward I'd say too.

Fascinating read and points you make all through.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Everyone is panicking saying what a right wing cabinet etc when in all likelihood there will be a GE before the end of the year and the tories will be a defunct party. I predict article 50 will be revoked before October 31st

Yes you predict alot
like you predicted Ian Duncan Smith MP would be in
Johnson's Cabinet.

so keep dreaming

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes you predict alot
like you predicted Ian Duncan Smith MP would be in
Johnson's Cabinet.

so keep dreaming

I think most expected Ian Duncan Smith to be in his Cabinet.

It may yet happen if cracks start appearing.

What's been said however, the revoking of article 50, could be a tool to prevent a no deal brexit.

It has merit and makes sense.
To me anyway.
If I was an MP not wanting a no deal scenario.
I'd be looking at all options.

A no confidence vote could fail.

Two thirds of MPs have to vote for a general election.

To revoke article 50, ony a single vote majority would be needed.

I know on paper at present what looks the better and possibly even easier option of those.
The last one.

[user104658]

Honestly I think it's unfortunately wishful thinking to assume that the Tories are doomed in another GE. People have become very politically stubborn, swing voting is seen as fence-sitting and a weakness, people have chosen their "side" and are more than willing to go down with the ship rather than admit to previously having put their eggs in the wrong basket.

I don't think a GE held now would yield results much different to the last one.

[Twosugars]

Apparently some very hush hush talks between cons, lab and lib dems are quietly going on.
About forming a government of national unity.
Presumably in case johnson loses a no confidence vote in future

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

for ****s sake

Reminds me of the tellytubby sun

[Livia]

20,000 new police officers. Sounds like a plan...