[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Most people dont want the country turning its back on its neighbours and becoming dependent on america and other distant countries.
And your 1.9 percent majority doesn't give you a mandate to leave in the worst way possible.
So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

To be fair to Kaz, she was conned and believed the lies she was sold. It happens everyday and we've all been conned in our life, be it by a person in a relationship, or someone selling us something that doesn't turn out to be what was promised. The shame is on the shysters that lied and cheated, not the people that believed them.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

To be fair to Kaz, she was conned and believed the lies she was sold. It happens everyday and we've all been conned in our life, be it by a person in a relationship, or someone selling us something that doesn't turn out to be what was promised. The shame is on the shysters that lied and cheated, not the people that believed them.

*believe

As despite all the evidence pointing to it being a disaster for us, people still stick their heads in the sand and say its nothing to worry about and its just 'project fear'.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

To be fair to Kaz, she was conned and believed the lies she was sold. It happens everyday and we've all been conned in our life, be it by a person in a relationship, or someone selling us something that doesn't turn out to be what was promised. The shame is on the shysters that lied and cheated, not the people that believed them.

The problem is though, the people who do / did believe the lies though are parroting that we will be ok, even in the face of leaked documents, with it becoming more increasingly obvious that a No Deal is going to at best massively impact the poor and vulnerable and at worst bring the country to its knees and impact us all hugely. I'm genuinely worried for my son's generation

[Alf]

I'll be absolutely fine.

And I'm poor.

I have nothing to loose, and everything to gain.

[Vicky.]

What do you feel you will gain by no deal alf? Genuinely curious here.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'll be absolutely fine.

And I'm poor.

I have nothing to loose, and everything to gain.

''everything to gain'' uh no, the poor will struggle in britain after a no deal


the rich will stay rich or gain even more

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Most people dont want the country turning its back on its neighbours and becoming dependent on america and other distant countries.
And your 1.9 percent majority doesn't give you a mandate to leave in the worst way possible.
So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

So why don't you get your head round that some people don't agree with you and stop spouting fear all the time.As for Farage, I don't follow him so don't know that much about him ,so there you go again spouting off that you think you know who and what people are listening to.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Corbyn is hated throughout the country but you think him being PM won't cause riots

No he isn't. ...you need to put down the tabloids

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The problem is though, the people who do / did believe the lies though are parroting that we will be ok, even in the face of leaked documents, with it becoming more increasingly obvious that a No Deal is going to at best massively impact the poor and vulnerable and at worst bring the country to its knees and impact us all hugely. I'm genuinely worried for my son's generation

He'll be fine. I'm sure in Boris' glorious vision for our country he'll be working 19 hour days in factories before he hits puberty.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So why don't you get your head round that some people don't agree with you and stop spouting fear all the time.As for Farage, I don't follow him so don't know that much about him ,so there you go again spouting off that you think you know who and what people are listening to.

So what about BJ's own government saying what a disaster no deal will be? Is BJ part of project fear, too?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So what about BJ's own government saying what a disaster no deal will be? Is BJ part of project fear, too?

Its a mess , not going to deny that and IF Corbyn is so eager to sort Brexit let him back a more popular MP to do it, from what I have seen he is just too desperate to be PM at any costs, lots of MPs want to remain ,hence the blocking of Mays deal all the time , we had a deal it was not good enough for them , so what do they think they can achieve now? and what do you say to all those people who voted to come out ? In a way I hope Corbyn gets in there, lets see what he can do and what he will do if we have another vote and its the same outcome.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Its a mess , not going to deny that and IF Corbyn is so eager to sort Brexit let him back a more popular MP to do it, from what I have seen he is just too desperate to be PM at any costs, lots of MPs want to remain ,hence the blocking of Mays deal all the time , we had a deal it was not good enough for them , so what do they think they can achieve now? and what do you say to all those people who voted to come out ? In a way I hope Corbyn gets in there, lets see what he can do and what he will do if we have another vote and its the same outcome.

I agree that it's a mess, but you seem way too focussed on Corbyn. It wasn't Corbyn who called the ref, he didn't promise you the world, and he didn't lie to you.

I have my own issues with Corbyn's leadership through brexit, and his willingness to play between the margins of leaving and remaining, but lets be 100% clear, none of this mess is his fault.

Your anger is justified, but it needs to be directed at the people who lied and cheated their way to the result, not the folks trying to clear up this mess. However it all pans out, half of us will be pissed off, so instead of wedding yourself to the liars, maybe hold them accountable, and not the opposition leader with policy positions that are only geared towards making the lives of every day citizens better.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So why don't you get your head round that some people don't agree with you and stop spouting fear all the time.As for Farage, I don't follow him so don't know that much about him ,so there you go again spouting off that you think you know who and what people are listening to.

Says the person reducing other peoples opinion to being influenced 'project fear' ..

You do know that phrase is just right wing media spin don't you? Define project fear for me, because it seems to me it's just mocking people and businesses with relevant concern and genuine anxiety surrounding no deal ...without providing adequate reassurance.

Just what are you listening to?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I agree that it's a mess, but you seem way too focussed on Corbyn. It wasn't Corbyn who called the ref, he didn't promise you the world, and he didn't lie to you.

I have my own issues with Corbyn's leadership through brexit, and his willingness to play between the margins of leaving and remaining, but lets be 100% clear, none of this mess is his fault.

Your anger is justified, but it needs to be directed at the people who lied and cheated their way to the result, not the folks trying to clear up this mess. However it all pans out, half of us will be pissed off, so instead of wedding yourself to the liars, maybe hold them accountable, and not the opposition leader with policy positions that are only geared towards making the lives of every day citizens better.

I don't trust any of them Slim,I am not that politically minded, I am your ordinary bog standard voter ,all I know is it has dragged on and on,no one will be happy with the outcome,I am not angry just bored of it all,I just wish someone would get their finger out and sort it one way or another, it would be nice just to get back to sorting our country out, I can only go by what I hear mostly, i'm a bit of a novice, but can see the country in the main is pissed off with it all. I cant see the EU changing the deal they gave May and it was rejected, so where do we go from there ?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't trust any of them Slim,I am not that politically minded, I am your ordinary bog standard voter ,all I know is it has dragged on and on,no one will be happy with the outcome,I am not angry just bored of it all,I just wish someone would get their finger out and sort it one way or another, it would be nice just to get back to sorting our country out, I can only go by what I hear mostly, i'm a bit of a novice, but can see the country in the main is pissed off with it all. I cant see the EU changing the deal they gave May and it was rejected, so where do we go from there ?

Only solution I see really is, another refendum, no deal or revoke. Whichever wins, go for it. Leaving with no deal would pirss offmore than half the country, as a lot of leave voters do not want no deal..or it seems a lot from those I speak to anyway, not sure if its universal or not that they realise they were sold a pack of lies, and know no deal will screw the country..expected some kind of deal as thats what was promised basically.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't trust any of them Slim,I am not that politically minded, I am your ordinary bog standard voter ,all I know is it has dragged on and on,no one will be happy with the outcome,I am not angry just bored of it all,I just wish someone would get their finger out and sort it one way or another, it would be nice just to get back to sorting our country out, I can only go by what I hear mostly, i'm a bit of a novice, but can see the country in the main is pissed off with it all. I cant see the EU changing the deal they gave May and it was rejected, so where do we go from there ?

That's fair and understandable. Here's the rub, we already have the best deals in place that we could ever possibly get. What made Mays deal unacceptable, is the fact we know we've already got so much better, when people like Davis and Raab were on TV before the ref telling everyone we'd be the ones dictating everything.

I'll make a deal with you; you be open to changing your mind on brexit, and dispensing with this project fear nonsense, and if you ever want to know anything about it, you pm me and I'll answer your questions, and if I don't know, I'll find out for you.

Not Knowing enough about it isn't a crime, it makes you the perfect target for liars like Johnson.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's fair and understandable. Here's the rub, we already have the best deals in place that we could ever possibly get. What made Mays deal unacceptable, is the fact we know we've already got so much better, when people like Davis and Raab were on TV before the ref telling everyone we'd be the ones dictating everything.

I'll make a deal with you; you be open to changing your mind on brexit, and dispensing with this project fear nonsense, and if you ever want to know anything about it, you pm me and I'll answer your questions, and if I don't know, I'll find out for you.

Not Knowing enough about it isn't a crime, it makes you the perfect target for liars like Johnson.

Its a deal Slim,I am open minded so you might get a few Pms lol,as I like to learn and obviously want the best for my kids ,its dragged on over 3 years now, and it's dividing the country.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Only solution I see really is, another refendum, no deal or revoke. Whichever wins, go for it. Leaving with no deal would pirss offmore than half the country, as a lot of leave voters do not want no deal..or it seems a lot from those I speak to anyway, not sure if its universal or not that they realise they were sold a pack of lies, and know no deal will screw the country..expected some kind of deal as thats what was promised basically.

But if we still get the same deal as May got we are fooked , I suppose in that scenario, we would have to have another vote , but whichever way it goes people will be pissed.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, I agree that Corbyn would be better off openly advocating for someone else to take the reigns in a "caretaker government", he's just not liked enough. The general response to him leading one seems to be a resounding "lol no"

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But if we still get the same deal as May got we are fooked , I suppose in that scenario, we would have to have another vote , but whichever way it goes people will be pissed.

There wouldnt be a deal involved at all, if the options were to revoke article 50, or no deal.

[bots]

A caretaker government is pointless, another referendum is pointless, it will just continue the argument longer. There won't be a deal that satisfies parliament so we either do no deal or revoke article 50

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

A caretaker government is pointless, another referendum is pointless, it will just continue the argument longer. There won't be a deal that satisfies parliament so we either do no deal or revoke article 50

You believe that a no deal or revoke won't continue the argument? Whatever we do will continue the argument, which is why the whole brexit sham was a terrible idea from the off.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You believe that a no deal or revoke won't continue the argument? Whatever we do will continue the argument, which is why the whole brexit sham was a terrible idea from the off.

No deal will certainly settle the argument

Revoking will stop the chaos of a no deal but will change the political landscape .... but i think the current landscape is on borrowed time anyway

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Its a deal Slim,I am open minded so you might get a few Pms lol,as I like to learn and obviously want the best for my kids ,its dragged on over 3 years now, and it's dividing the country.

You realize I hope that whatever happens our relationship with europe will " drag on " ?
Even if there's no deal we will be back trying to negotiate a trade agreement with the EU.
The current deal or no deal is only over our leaving conditions.
So whichever way you cut it, Britain or the EU are not sailing off into the sunset, they remain neighbours and will have to have a regulated relationship one way or another

[Kizzy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...376.html%3famp

And here's another insult, more lies.. don't worry your safe turns into no you're not safe... what of the EU citizens here? What now of UK citizens in the EU?

Get these idiots out and let Corbyn ask for an extention!