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Shaun · 28-08-2019, 05:28 PM

This country... just won't exist in five years time. As we know it, anyway. Depressing.

Twosugars · 28-08-2019, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Can you please stop using bc for because...it really is annoying

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes he is Bloody LAZY

Bc I'm bothered

You heard Josy on this matter so suck it up

The Slim Reaper · 28-08-2019, 05:29 PM

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Pretty surprised at normally reasonable MPs and commentators totally losing their minds over Parliament not sitting for 4 days. If that is the mark of a dictatorship then we're setting the bar pretty low. There's even been large Remain groups suggesting the Queen should be executed over allowing it even though it's obvious she has no choice in the matter

I think it's more about his intent and motives, which are undeniable to everyone. He will have been PM for 80 days but only under the supervision of parliament for a total of 5 of those. All to push through a no deal that nobody voted for, and definitely wasn't part of the leave campaign.

Added to the fact that even the government know how bad this will be if they believe their own memo's, and are using shady tricks to force it through. That's not a good look.

arista · 28-08-2019, 05:30 PM

Twosugars · 28-08-2019, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Ruth Davidson is going to quit

Wise move.
Will be in a prime position to run for leader when the clown ****s up

The Slim Reaper · 28-08-2019, 05:35 PM

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Wise move.
Will be in a prime position to run for leader when the clown ****s up

Tories aren't electing an anti-brexit leader for at least a generation. If they get it through, they'll all be wed to it, but if we can stop it, then it'll be their only campaigning message.

Alf · 28-08-2019, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

This country... just won't exist in five years time. As we know it, anyway. Depressing.

That' what the Estonians, the Latvians, and others said as they were about to leave the Soviet Union.

UserSince2005 · 28-08-2019, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

This country... just won't exist in five years time. As we know it, anyway. Depressing.

Exciting more like.

arista · 28-08-2019, 05:39 PM

Alf · 28-08-2019, 05:40 PM

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A self confessed Marxist.

arista · 28-08-2019, 05:42 PM

The Slim Reaper · 28-08-2019, 05:44 PM

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A self confessed Marxist.

What is a marxist, Alf? What's the difference between that, a communist, and a socialist?

arista · 28-08-2019, 05:44 PM

JoshBB · 28-08-2019, 05:48 PM

Just gonna drop my view in here then dip.

Boris is an unelected prime minister, using the mandate of the 2016 referendum to shut down our elected parliament, despite the fact that in 2017, the general election showed No Deal to have no mandate. Ridiculous and undemocratic.

Alf · 28-08-2019, 05:49 PM

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What is a marxist, Alf? What's the difference between that, a communist, and a socialist?

Not much, It's just ideology following, like religion.

The goal is Heaven on Earth.

MTVN · 28-08-2019, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think it's more about his intent and motives, which are undeniable to everyone. He will have been PM for 80 days but only under the supervision of parliament for a total of 5 of those. All to push through a no deal that nobody voted for, and definitely wasn't part of the leave campaign.

Added to the fact that even the government know how bad this will be if they believe their own memo's, and are using shady tricks to force it through. That's not a good look.

It's cynical but within the current context it's not surprising. Boris' target electorate is Leave voters who are all going to side with him over this more than Jo Swinson and Ian Blackford. No one voted for No Deal but everyone knew it was a possibility I think and the only deal that was agreed (and the EU say cant be changed) was unpopular with everyone and couldnt pass. The vast majority of MPs all voted to trigger article 50 and that set no deal as the default and everyone knew about that. It can't really be ignored that everyone up in arms over this are firm Remainers who are equally cynical in their motives as Johnson imo

Alf · 28-08-2019, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB

Just gonna drop my view in here then dip.

Boris is an unelected prime minister, using the mandate of the 2016 referendum to shut down our elected parliament, despite the fact that in 2017, the general election showed No Deal to have no mandate. Ridiculous and undemocratic.

Boris was elected, what are you talking about?

Liam- · 28-08-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

It's cynical but within the current context it's not surprising. Boris' target electorate is Leave voters who are all going to side with him over this more than Jo Swinson and Ian Blackford. No one voted for No Deal but everyone knew it was a possibility I think and the only deal that was agreed (and the EU say cant be changed) was unpopular with everyone and couldnt pass. The vast majority of MPs all voted to trigger article 50 and that set no deal as the default and everyone knew about that. It can't really be ignored that everyone up in arms over this are firm Remainers who are equally cynical in their motives as Johnson imo

Not true, leave voter here

MTVN · 28-08-2019, 05:58 PM

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Not true, leave voter here

Exception that proves the rule maybe lol, as I am as a Remain voter who is not that concerned about this

The Slim Reaper · 28-08-2019, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

It's cynical but within the current context it's not surprising. Boris' target electorate is Leave voters who are all going to side with him over this more than Jo Swinson and Ian Blackford. No one voted for No Deal but everyone knew it was a possibility I think and the only deal that was agreed (and the EU say cant be changed) was unpopular with everyone and couldnt pass. The vast majority of MPs all voted to trigger article 50 and that set no deal as the default and everyone knew about that. It can't really be ignored that everyone up in arms over this are firm Remainers who are equally cynical in their motives as Johnson imo

The fact it's not surprising should be a worry. No deal was never presented as an opportunity to the electorate, so it was absolutely nothing to do with the referendum vote. That deal that was unpopular with everyone had Johnson voting yes and no at different times, so it's not quite as clear cut as you imply, one of the main problems was that all parties (I do mean all) used the negotiating period as a time to position themselves to take advantage after the fallout. No deal was never set as a default for anything, and the recent media gaslighting blitz from the usual suspects telling us it was, are completely misguided or liars. The biggest issue to getting Brexit over the line is that as soon as details are written down, and presented to the people/experts then it becomes blatantly obvious to everyone that it will always be worse than what we have now. That's why no-deal is talked about, because there are no details.

I'm a huge corbyn supporter but he's been all over the map with this, but the fact that no one comes out of Brexit smelling of roses, doesn't mean that the PM just gets to do away with the peoples house in order to force through legislation he absolutely 100% knows will cause pain to his citizenry.