[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Project fear innit. You know the same project fear that was blasted for saying we might end up with no deal, nooo, that absolutely would not happen in a million years..

And it was project fear that said that the EU absolutely would not bendover backwards to give us what we want like leave campaigners claimed... but it was clearly just remainers trying to scare people

There must surely be loads of sand around some for them to bury their heads in.

Even when confronted with official documents, which this PM, this Cabinet and government did NOT want to publish, and were forced to.
It's still remainers fault and remainers just scaremongering.

If that was really the case this PM and government would have rushed these documents out, not want to keep them hidden.

You honestly couldn't make it up as to how gullible some can be.
I think the UK is heading to be, if not just about there now to being now ungovernable.
A really sad and even scary thought.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But if it is to force a no deal Brexit Slim,why would Johnson and co try to sabotage it as to leave is what he wants none of us REALLY know whats going on behind closed doors and wasn't Johnsons cabinet mostly remainers ? there are so mant media stories floating round it's really hard to believe any of them.

The document isn't to force a no deal, the document is to give them a heads up as to what will happen if/when they force a no-deal through. He sabotaged the document (which may be another crime - I'm not sure) to make it look better than their own projections, this is what they expect to happen as a minimum, not a worse case scenario.

No, johnson doesn't have a remain cabinet, and these are government documents to help prepare the country for what happens after a no-deal crash out; whether a remainer or a leaver put them together is irrelevant as they were never made for folks like you or I to see to begin with, so they are not trying to influence a leave or a remain argument.

FOrtunately, documents like this help us see what is actually going on behind closed doors.

This government knows there will be food shortages and price hikes, they know the same with energy and potentially water, they know it will result in medicine shortages, and that the poorest and weakest among us, who've been attacked with austerity for the last decade, will now face another attack.

There are 2 reasons that these people want to inflict such unnecessary pain and harm on its citizenry.

1) Johnsons financial backers have invested £8billion on this scenario

2) EU tax law changes due to arrive early 2020, that won't allow multimillionaires to hide their money offshore anymore and not pay tax on it.

[arista]

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

A lot of the problem about the debate, with regards to winning over Leavers, is that most of the arguments used now are about economics, business and trade (which are hugely important issues) but the reasons people voted Leave were more about ideas like sovereignty, borders, community, identity etc. There hasn't been an awfully great effort to change minds on those issues.

That's a problem for the Remainers if they did get another referendum and want to change the result of the last one.

If there was another referendum, I don't believe we'd have to convince that many people; the voting habits of the younger generations versus the older generations means that demographically brexit voters are dying out faster than remain voters, so there's probably already enough happened to secure a victory now without saying another word.

Admittedly, that's a foolish approach to rely on, but let me turn this round a little on you. How do you suggest we turn voters that are only dwelling in ideological spaces? The fact I can highlight on here all the lies and the illegality, and the fact that the government is pushing for a no-deal, they themselves know will harm a huge number of the population, and yet people aren't re-examining exactly what they believe in. They'll make excuses, they'll bargain with themselves that it's more project fear, they'll say they didn't even believe anything the leave campaign said to begin with.

The forum gives us a really good and varied overview that can be extrapolated across the UK. Anyone still believing in the outcomes that brexit can provide are almost unreachable at this stage, because evidence is irrelevant.

You're right though, it's a really difficult issue to convince people who wrongly believe we have no sovereignty, and that parliament has too much power at the same time.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

I'm not equating brexit with nazi's, but the nazi's didn't put tanks on the street to force a coup either. This guy is obviously not much of a reader.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by James

A lot of the problem about the debate, with regards to winning over Leavers, is that most of the arguments used now are about economics, business and trade (which are hugely important issues) but the reasons people voted Leave were more about ideas like sovereignty, borders, community, identity etc. There hasn't been an awfully great effort to change minds on those issues.

That's a problem for the Remainers if they did get another referendum and want to change the result of the last one.

Good luck with that when immigration will continue just from further afield
These slogans were used only to get the result they wanted.
We've seen how much respect the government shows to the sovereign parliament.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not equating brexit with nazi's, but the nazi's didn't put tanks on the street to force a coup either. This guy is obviously not much of a reader.

Its a Great Comedy

[Vicky.]

This yellowhammer thing, I didnt really read much about as sick of Brexit ****..but is this the same thing..or another document?

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Du6v1JqL5F5v0g

I know that says worst case scenario, and people were talking about best case though, so this might be totally different. Either way, that these things are even slightly possible is terrifying to be quite honest. I really need to go back to not reading about Brexit stuff, depresses the hell out of me..there has to be a better way to do this

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

Lol. She’s made the top ten before with a **** Theresa song

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...414&highlight=

Youtube video

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This yellowhammer thing, I didnt really read much about as sick of Brexit ****..but is this the same thing..or another document?

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Du6v1JqL5F5v0g

I know that says worst case scenario, and people were talking about best case though, so this might be totally different. Either way, that these things are even slightly possible is terrifying to be quite honest. I really need to go back to not reading about Brexit stuff, depresses the hell out of me..there has to be a better way to do this

That's the one. The document leaked a week or so ago said it was the base scenario - meaning that's what they would expect to happen. They've doctored the released one from yesterday to say worst case, so they're trying to alter perceptions with more dishonesty. The released version also leaves out some stuff, and is generally shorter, which shows they're aware of more stuff that they definitely don't even want to be made known.

[arista]

Yes Owen
they may vote Brexit Party
new MP's

[Twosugars]

Somebody on the Guardian discussion boards went into much trouble to compile this list of bojo's accomplishments
Enjoy

1. Sacked for making up a quote x3
2. Sacked for lying about an affair
3. Discussed having a journalist beaten up.
4. Endangered a British mum jailed in Iran and forced in parliament to apologise.
5. Called black people 'piccannies'.
6. Mocked Muslim women as 'letterboxes'.
7. Used racist terms to describe Barack Obama.
8. When he propagated the £350m-a-week Brexit lie.
9. Said Turkey was joining the EU - then lied about it.
10. Repeatedly ignored conflict-of-interest rules x 3 in one year!
11. Blew millions on his Garden Bridge ‘vanity project. YOU now meet this cost.
12. Wasted £300,000 on illegal water cannon.
13. Expensive buses became a ‘saunas on wheels’.
14. When he had a blazing row with his partner in her flat. "Get off me". Who the hell would want to work underneath this oaf?
15. When we didn’t know how many children he has (and still don’t).
16. Called gay men 'tank-topped bum boys'.
17. Made a glib remark about ‘dead bodies' in Libya - clear up and turn in to holiday destination.
18. He recited a colonial-era poem in Myanmar.
19. Boasted about whisky in a Sikh temple. Note he was happy to wear a turban. An orange one too. I bet he did not even know the significance of the colour - wisdom and wasted on the buffoon.
20. Wrote a dirty limerick about Turkey’s President and a goat.
21. Insulted the entire city of Liverpool.
22. Insulted the entire country of Papua New Guinea.
23. Said Africa needs its old Colonial powers to come back.
24. Claimed money probing child abuse was 'spaffed up a wall'.
25. Tried to dodge questions over using cocaine.
26. He ‘made up’ a story about small Italian penises.
27. Enraged Italy with a threat about Prosecco.
28. When he called the French ‘turds’ who ‘shafted Britain’.
29. Compared the EU to Adolf Hitler.
30. He proclaimed ‘******* business’.
31. When he allegedly said ‘******* the families’ of the 7/7 bombings.
32. Derailed a visit to the Middle East creating a diplomatic storm.
33. Branded Hillary Clinton a ‘sadistic mental health nurse’.
34. Cosied up to a President he called ‘unfit to rule’. And there are two of them!
35. Refused to back our Ambassador to the US and focused on MUKSA - Making the UK Sink Again.
36. Took a £20,000 flight to avoid scrutiny on Heathrow Airport. What a cheat and yellow chicken.
37. Branded his £250k-a-year pocket money ‘chicken feed’.
And finally… when he summed up why all this helps him stay in power: Twattish twatological twattishpheric twatterdom!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...mments-section

38. The estuary airport: est£10m. The cableway: est £24m. Olympic Stadium: est £230m. The ‘new’ Crystal Palace: £4.5m.
39. Insulting the low-paid of London - people will struggle to get on in life because of their low IQs.
40. Advocated leaving the EU but to build a channel bridge to remain connected.
41. Idea for the Backstop was to build a bridge linking UK to Ireland. No joke!
42. January 2018, said the pledge of £350m a week was “grossly underestimated”, claiming that leaving the EU would free up £438m for the health service.
43. Peddled absurd EU myths – and the MSM followed his lead.
44. As Foreign Secretary, his 2015 visit to Palestine cut short due to his pro-Israel remarks.
45. Offended the people of Papua New Guinea by calling them cannibals. He was FS!
46. Described Black American basketball players as having "arms hanging below their knees and tongues sticking out".
47. The day before appearing as advocate against FGM, mocked the “obsession” of women aid workers ending FGM. Now illegal in UK.
48. Cost taxpayers est. £323 million with bungled Olympic Stadium conversion.
49. Johnson argued that London’s soaring property prices are “the right problem to have” after advocating affordable homes.
50. Told EU leaders to, "go whistle" over divorce Bill.
51. Johnson suggested Labour politician to “get stuffed” for daring to ask about cuts to the London Fire Service. On his watch too!
52. Called for Scottish people to be blocked from becoming prime minister because "government by a Scot is just not conceivable."
53. Sacked 21 Tory MPs because Cummings told him to do it.
54. Making history to becoming the shortest serving PM.
55. Lost every debate and vote.
56. The pièces de résistance – ‘A tribute to The Johnson’, by Martin Rowson:
https://martinrowson.wordpress.com/2...-boris-johnson

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

That's a provable lie. This document was leaked as a base scenario just over a week ago, as has already been discussed on the previous couple of pages.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's a provable lie. This document was leaked as a base scenario just over a week ago, as has already been discussed on the previous couple of pages.

Its his view

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

God, the smell of bull**** is overwhelming.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Its his view

A statement is either true or false, you don't get to have a view on it.

The original leaked yellowhammer document had a date of 29th August, 2019 attached to it. Does he have a view on time travel, too?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Owen
they may vote Brexit Party
new MP's

which would be a even bigger disaster than Boris, with the dictator Farage in power

or in farage's words what i heard this morning ''a utterly utterly disaster''

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A statement is either true or false, you don't get to have a view on it.

The original leaked yellowhammer document had a date of 29th August, 2019 attached to it. Does he have a view on time travel, too?

No he is
the PM

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

which would be a even bigger disaster than Boris, with the dictator Farage in power

or in farage's words what i heard this morning ''a utterly utterly disaster''

He (Johnson) can win the General Election
if he does a deal with the Brexit Party.


Owens Tweet skips the Fact
that the Labour Leave Voters
up to 5million of them , are in the Brexit Party now,
he should mention them
instead he just says they will not vote Conservative.

[The Slim Reaper]

[bitontheslide]

the government is on pretty shaky ground if they claim to be publishing the worst case. We all know things could be a lot worse than stated, and they will be in deep poo if it is shown at a later date that they sugar coated the effects

[Twosugars]

We want to see the black swan report

[arista]

Originally Posted by twosugars

we want to see the black swan report