[Cherie]

Tbf to Kazanne, I recall Smithy doing much the same thing, there does seem to be a genuine lack of understanding about the Irish situation, I have had people ask me before the is it safe to travel to the Republic because of the bombs I don't believe Irish history makes it onto the curriculum here, but it should

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf to Kazanne, I recall Smithy doing much the same thing, there does seem to be a genuine lack of understanding about the Irish situation, I have had people ask me before the is it safe to travel to the Republic because of the bombs I don't believe Irish history makes it onto the curriculum here, but it should

Really? It's just kind of disappointing more than anything else, considering we're so close and it's both of our history and Geography and how do people even understand the whole border issue at all if they don't even know that Ireland is a separate country?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? It's just kind of disappointing more than anything else, considering we're so close and it's both of our history and Geography and how do people even understand the whole border issue at all if they don't even know that Ireland is a separate country?

I don't remember either of my kids learning about Irish history but then neither took history for GCSE so maybe they study if it they take history as an option, not sure tbh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't remember either of my kids learning about Irish history but then neither took history for GCSE so maybe they study if it they take history as an option, not sure tbh

Still though it's pretty basic Geography. The kids here do both history and Geography up until after Junior cert, they become optional for leaving cert

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? It's just kind of disappointing more than anything else, considering we're so close and it's both of our history and Geography and how do people even understand the whole border issue at all if they don't even know that Ireland is a separate country?

Pre referendum the Irish border was never mentioned at all, this is why I think there should be a second referendum, people are much more aware of a lot of the sticking points now, rather than the whitewash of its going to be easy to leave

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Pre referendum the Irish border was never mentioned at all, this is why I think there should be a second referendum, people are much more aware of a lot of the sticking points now, rather than the whitewash of its going to be easy to leave

Not true. What about the peace process, that's been on the news since the 90s

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Not true. What about the peace process, that's been on the news since the 90s

I am talking about the Leave and Remain referendum campaigns, did either mention the border in their arguments for and against? If you can find me a link that would be great, there was a guy on a phone in recently who mentioned this as well so its just not me that didn't hear anything about it, I cant claim to have listened to every argument but I listen to a fair deal so if it was mentioned it wasn't particularly often

[bitontheslide]

Honestly, i don't think the irish border issues are a big thing to many on the UK mainland. It becomes an issue if some group like the ira start bombing us, but other than that it's jut not important to many. Why would it be unless it directly affected them. That was the whole reason the ira started bombing places like london in the first place.

[lime]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Honestly, i don't think the irish border issues are a big thing to many on the UK mainland. It becomes an issue if some group like the ira start bombing us, but other than that it's jut not important to many. Why would it be unless it directly affected them. That was the whole reason the ira started bombing places like london in the first place.

Brexit in a nutshell

[lime]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Pre referendum the Irish border was never mentioned at all, this is why I think there should be a second referendum, people are much more aware of a lot of the sticking points now, rather than the whitewash of its going to be easy to leave

But surely they who voted either to remain...or leave knew about the irish Border and Ireland as a whole.

After reading Kazanne post's
I hate the use of the word "troubles"

that's something I am in when i can't find my phone or car keys..Not a massacre

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

But surely they who voted either to remain...or leave knew about the irish Border and Ireland as a whole.

After reading Kazanne post's
I hate the use of the word "troubles"

that's something I am in when i can't find my phone or car keys..Not a massacre

It was never brought up by either campaign, the UK is made up of many nationalities who can vote, its not just British people who have the right to vote, I have Pakistani and Indian friends who voted who would have no idea of the past problems in NI, there has been peace for 20 years so why would they, some of them would have been in their early teens when the Good Friday Agreement was passed, none of the politicians mentioned in in either the leave or remain campaign, although I am waiting for Two Sugars to clarify this

I remember on the day before the ref an Indian friend saying all her family were voting to go out, because of the possible trade deal with India and visa free movement, everyone has their own reasons for voting the way they did, they are considering themselves and their families first and foremost

[lime]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It was never brought up by either campaign, the UK is made up of many nationalities who can vote, its not just British people who have the right to vote, I have Pakistani and Indian friends who voted who would have no idea of the past problems in NI, there has been peace for 20 years so why would they, some of them would have been in their early teens when the Good Friday Agreement was passed, none of the politicians mentioned in in either the leave or remain campaign, although I am waiting for Two Sugars to clarify this

I think that's Ireland's biggest mistake ..i think in Ireland we thought that the GFA was welcomed in UK as much as Ireland .

Now I think the Irish are seeing it is irrelavent to the British.

Hard lesson to learn.. but important

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

I think that's Ireland's biggest mistake ..i think in Ireland we thought that the GFA was welcomed in UK as much as Ireland .

Now I think the Irish are seeing it is irrelavent to the British.

Hard lesson to learn.. but important

of course the GFA was welcomed in the UK, especially as it put an end to a bombing campaign, but its was two decades ago, there is a whole generation who know nothing about it, and even more who have forgotten as it didn't affect them directly

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf to Kazanne, I recall Smithy doing much the same thing, there does seem to be a genuine lack of understanding about the Irish situation, I have had people ask me before the is it safe to travel to the Republic because of the bombs I don't believe Irish history makes it onto the curriculum here, but it should

Theres no excuse imo if you show any interest in politics and have opinions on it not to know the basics.
These things are mentioned on the news a fair bit.

And theres no need to know Irish history to know the basic makeup of your own country

It's almost like thinking France is part of uk bc we own some channel islands

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf to Kazanne, I recall Smithy doing much the same thing, there does seem to be a genuine lack of understanding about the Irish situation, I have had people ask me before the is it safe to travel to the Republic because of the bombs I don't believe Irish history makes it onto the curriculum here, but it should

Did he get the same response I did Cherie ? of course he didn't ,I wonder why

[lime]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Did he get the same response I did Cherie ? of course he didn't ,I wonder why

Please don't make yourself a victim.Laugh all you want.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lime

Please don't make yourself a victim.Laugh all you want.

Im not a victim, just wished people would understand ,we are not all brainboxes so clued up on certain things, and lime no one stops me from laughing, ive got in to trouble about it many a time.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lime

That's the thing kazanne...You don't need to be a brainbox to understand we Irish.

Absouletley amazing to watch a Brexiteer in action.No comprehension about the Border and so true you can laugh all you want at what the border means

I have never said I was a Brexiteer though,people just presume, I just want something ,done,anything to stop this mess we are in at the moment,but, I said I wont comment anymore,so I will leave it at that, I will cope whether we leave or stay.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I have never said I was a Brexiteer though,people just presume, I just want something ,done,anything to stop this mess we are in at the moment,but, I said I wont comment anymore,so I will leave it at that, I will cope whether we leave or stay.

You will cope..true

Leave or stay means nothing to YOU

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lime

You will cope..true

Leave or stay means nothing to YOU

We will have to cope wont we ? whatever we want it will not be up to us ,as proven.