[bots]

I find it interesting the way everyone dismissed my comment about momentum, but they are not much different in how they operate to the mafia the way they threaten people and intimidate them. They may not have killed anyone yet, but apart from one instance, neither have extreme right wingers.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I find it interesting the way everyone dismissed my comment about momentum, but they are not much different in how they operate to the mafia the way they threaten people and intimidate them. They may not have killed anyone yet, but apart from one instance, neither have extreme right wingers.

I addressed it in full.

Because I found it inflammatory, dangerous to even myself as a Labour member though I'm not part of momentum.

After your more reasoned posts which I've supported over the last weeks.
Seeing you join in with a veiled incitement against momentum, which if extreme elements took on board, then I and other general activists of Labour.
Could be considered to be from momentum and terrorists.

I'm surprised the forum allowed the word terrorism to be used in that way by anyone.

I go out now canvassing in genuine fear of what I may come across.
Being thought a terrorist, just because I may be from the Labour party, or even if I was part of momentum, will only increase my fears.

Some irrational extremists will take what you said as gospel.

I didn't dismiss it.
I rejected your whole description and the lanuguage you chose to use in it.

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I find it interesting the way everyone dismissed my comment about momentum, but they are not much different in how they operate to the mafia the way they threaten people and intimidate them. They may not have killed anyone yet, but apart from one instance, neither have extreme right wingers.

I missed your post initially. I agree. But having an opinion on SB is now paramount to inciting the masses to violence. Talk about hysterical ranting.

[Cherie]

There is hysterical ranting from both sides, lets not close our eyes and put our fingers in our ears because we don't want to acknowledge it

Parliament is now akin to a soap opera or reality tv, it thrives on drama and dramatics.

They all need to calm down and act a bit more sensibly, I think a lot of them play to the camera as they know it will be aired and its all about their own self promotion rather than what is good for the country

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I find it interesting the way everyone dismissed my comment about momentum, but they are not much different in how they operate to the mafia the way they threaten people and intimidate them. They may not have killed anyone yet, but apart from one instance, neither have extreme right wingers.

Its par for the course BOTs, hands over eyes ...and fingers in ears, because some people are so entrenched in their party they can't come up for air

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is hysterical ranting from both sides, lets not close our eyes and put our fingers in our ears because we don't want to acknowledge it

Parliament is now akin to a soap opera or reality tv, it thrives on drama and dramatics.

They all need to calm down and act a bit more sensibly, I think a lot of them play to the camera as they know it will be aired and its all about their own self promotion rather than what is good for the country

[Alf]

The evil Fascist, racist, Nazi loving scumbag dictators in our government, need to stop using such inflammatory language.

[jet]

Joey, why don't you ask the man who you are canvassing for to become PM about incitement of violence. After attending over 70 IRA rallies and speaking at many of them (evidence obtained by The Telegraph) he's the expert.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

The imflammatory language and death threats in that report are on topic. I'm reminding people who seem to have forgotten that they come from both sides. I really think when you see something negative about Corbyn you refuse to read it because I have never once seen you criticize him for anything.

I have said that it comes from both sides in the public sphere and social media...however I have made it very clear that in this thread I'm discussing the use of divisive and incendiary language in the house of commons only

I have asked which MP on the opposite benches ( not only labour) can be seen in the chamber to be using language similar to the PM that causes outrage derision and offence to fellow members?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have said that it comes from both sides in the public sphere and social media...however I have made it very clear that in this thread I'm discussing the use of divisive and incendiary language in the house of commons only

I have asked which MP on the opposite benches ( not only labour) can be seen in the chamber to be using language similar to the PM that causes outrage derision and offence to fellow members?

What language from the PM? Humbug? What's bad about that?

It only causes outrage and offence to fellow members, because they think playing the victim will do them favours.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I addressed it in full.

Because I found it inflammatory, dangerous to even myself as a Labour member though I'm not part of momentum.

After your more reasoned posts which I've supported over the last weeks.
Seeing you join in with a veiled incitement against momentum, which if extreme elements took on board, then I and other general activists of Labour.
Could be considered to be from momentum and terrorists.

I'm surprised the forum allowed the word terrorism to be used in that way by anyone.

I go out now canvassing in genuine fear of what I may come across.
Being thought a terrorist, just because I may be from the Labour party, or even if I was part of momentum, will only increase my fears.

Some irrational extremists will take what you said as gospel.

I didn't dismiss it.
I rejected your whole description and the lanuguage you chose to use in it.

what i said was correct though, and your response here is unfathomable to be honest.

Can I just say that similar justifications as you have made above were made on behalf of the nazi party in their day.

Open your eyes joey before you try and silence me again.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is hysterical ranting from both sides, lets not close our eyes and put our fingers in our ears because we don't want to acknowledge it

Parliament is now akin to a soap opera or reality tv, it thrives on drama and dramatics.

They all need to calm down and act a bit more sensibly, I think a lot of them play to the camera as they know it will be aired and its all about their own self promotion rather than what is good for the country

Cherie do you not agree, though, that the Prime Minister needs to be held to a higher standard than random backbench MPs and movements? That they should surely lead by example, and that we can't possibly expect parliament as a whole to get anywhere NEAR to being respectable again if the PM himself is part of the toddler antics?

Because it currently isn't respectable. It's a mess, and a joke. And the public can see that quite clearly at this point - ANY Westminster government now is going to find it very, very hard to be taken seriously at any time in the near future and honestly, that fact alone is probably far, FAR more dangerous than Brexit itself, no matter which way it goes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what i said was correct though, and your response here is unfathomable to be honest.

Can I just say that similar justifications as you have made above were made on behalf of the nazi party in their day.

Open your eyes joey before you try and silence me again.

Silence you.
,

I object to one word only, terrorism

If you can't see the wrong in brandishing that about then there's no point in reasoning.

My eyes are wide open thank you.

I'd never use the terrorism word about anyone except those who are and who go around aimlessly murdering other people.

Say what you like, this forum seems to lack any ability to stop incitement of hate to people or groupings that's uncalled for.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what i said was correct though, and your response here is unfathomable to be honest.

Can I just say that similar justifications as you have made above were made on behalf of the nazi party in their day.

Open your eyes joey before you try and silence me again.

Joeys point is perfectly understandable, not sure why you can't comprehend it :/

You are aligning momentum with a fledgling nazi party? Joey has stated he fears being a Labour activist because some may not be able to differentiate between the two and accuse him of being a terrorist... youve just outed yourself as one if those people!

Open your eyes to what bots? What is it that you have heard or seen that makes you say momentum are nazis in the making? .. is it your secret source again?
Far from trying to silence you I'd like to hear all about it.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I find it interesting the way everyone dismissed my comment about momentum, but they are not much different in how they operate to the mafia the way they threaten people and intimidate them. They may not have killed anyone yet, but apart from one instance, neither have extreme right wingers.

Dismissed it bc it was ridiculous

Momentum is like any strong faction in any party.
It's hysterical to call them terrorists

I say that and I don't even like them

[Twosugars]

So far the remain produced a couple of milkshakings
The leave produced the jo Cox murderer

[Kizzy]

Yep there's been an explosion in right wing terrorist acts and plots to kill, Rosie Cooper MP was a victim of a foiled murder attempt just weeks ago! But it's ok, it's only one little murder.
Look at the left and their exuberant activism! :/ ...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep there's been an explosion in right wing terrorist acts and plots to kill, Rosie Cooper MP was a victim of a foiled murder attempt just weeks ago! But it's ok, it's only one little murder.
Look at the left and their exuberant activism! :/ ...

Forgot about this one, thanks Kizzy

Claiming equivalence between left and right rhetoric is not really objective

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have said that it comes from both sides in the public sphere and social media...however I have made it very clear that in this thread I'm discussing the use of divisive and incendiary language in the house of commons only

I have asked which MP on the opposite benches ( not only labour) can be seen in the chamber to be using language similar to the PM that causes outrage derision and offence to fellow members?

I don't think he said anything outrageous.
I think his words were deliberately misinterpreted and milked for all they were worth to whip up emotionally charged feelings and THAT is far more dangerous that anything he actually said.

In an interview he said "I was sitting opposite people who were shouting all sorts of things at me all afternoon that were far harsher".

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't think he said anything outrageous.
I think his words were deliberately misinterpreted and milked for all they were worth to whip up emotionally charged feelings and THAT is far more dangerous that anything he actually said.

In an interview he said "I was sitting opposite people who were shouting all sorts of things at me all afternoon that were far harsher".

Using words like surrender, war, capitulation is very dangerous
We are not at war with EU and our European neighbours

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Using words like surrender, war, capitulation is very dangerous
We are not at war with EU and our European neighbours

No war , yet
Johnson PM will continue to use surrender bill,
Though.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Using words like surrender, war, capitulation is very dangerous
We are not at war with EU and our European neighbours

It's called 'robust political discussion' or a 'war of words' that have been going on for centuries in Parliament between parties. To try make out it is literally dangerous now to suit an agenda is absurd. People are losing all sense of perspective over this Brexit malarkey.
No guns or bombs involved.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

No war , yet
Johnson PM will continue to use surrender bill,
Though.

Childish and dangerous at the same time

This guy is simply unsuited for the job

So much for uniting the country, pathetic

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Childish and dangerous at the same time

This guy is simply unsuited for the job

So much for uniting the country, pathetic

No I do not agree with you.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

It's called 'robust political discussion' or a 'war of words' that have been going on for centuries in Parliament between parties. To try make out it is literally dangerous now to suit an agenda is absurd. People are losing all sense of perspective over this Brexit malarkey.
No guns or bombs involved.

Only one murder and one attempted murder

Not everybody has a sense of perspective, this language is asking for trouble in the current fevered atmosphere