[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

They weren't too lazy to go out and fight and die for our freedom, have some bloody respect, how are the older generation lazy ? the young ones have it far easier than they ever did.

"They fought for our freedom!!"

Kazanne when we talk about old people, we're talking about boomers. The youngest people who "fought for our freedom", WW2 veterans, are now all in their 90's.

Thebolder generation are aged 60 - 90 and have not seen any significant war. So this tired old rhetoric of the older generation being war heroes simply has to be put to bed.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I don't know one lazy person over the age of 70...

Not one? What a heap of utterly ludicrous shyte, Parm.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Listen to Peter Hirchens, a full on Trotskyist, Marxist in his younger days, then he grew up.

Or his brother, also a trotskyite that remained of the left, or how about Elizabeth Warren, a conservative in her younger days but now a liberal. It's a myth that people grow into conservatism later in life. Some do, some don't. Same as liberalism.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"They fought for our freedom!!"

Kazanne when we talk about old people, we're talking about boomers. The youngest people who "fought for our freedom", WW2 veterans, are now all in their 90's.

Thebolder generation are aged 60 - 90 and have not seen any significant war. So this tired old rhetoric of the older generation being war heroes simply has to be put to bed.

Exactly right.
Also more recent it's young people who lost their lives in Iraq conflicts.
That's chosen to be overlooked.

It's the futures too, (like you pointed out as to your own family TS), of the young that for generations to come will be impacted on, more likely than not, by Brexit.
Particularly a no deal one.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not one? What a heap of utterly ludicrous shyte, Parm.

Nope..not one..my mum and all her friends are constantly on the golf course or socialising if they ain't looking after the grand kids or picking up the pissed grand daughter from the pub..

My dad's mates are the same..he's gone now but was working away on his bike until a few months before he died..my uncle died a few.months ago..the doctors had to drag him of his push bike and he was 82..


So no I don't know any that are lazy, so to say that old people are is ridiculous.

Im sure there are though , like the ones that prop up the bar along side the coke snorting, pool playing scruffy youths on a Tuesday afternoon though..

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"They fought for our freedom!!"

Kazanne when we talk about old people, we're talking about boomers. The youngest people who "fought for our freedom", WW2 veterans, are now all in their 90's.

Thebolder generation are aged 60 - 90 and have not seen any significant war. So this tired old rhetoric of the older generation being war heroes simply has to be put to bed.

I don't consider 60 old, but even so to call them lazy is still not nice ,my mom is in her 60s and no way is she lazy ,neither is my nan, and I am sure most of our parents are in that age bracket , should they all die so Brexit cant happen as some of them are a pain in the arse for voting to leave.Are 90year olds not allowed to vote ?

[Parmy]

How utterly ridiculous to suggest someone who has put 50 adult years into the system should have thier votes nullified in favour of someone barely able to spunk properly.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

They weren't too lazy to go out and fight and die for our freedom, have some bloody respect, how are the older generation lazy ? the young ones have it far easier than they ever did.

Geez your reading comprehension


When did they fight? When they were young!!
Proves my point

I wasnt talking about a specific generation being lazy but any generation

It's when we are young we are at our boldest and open minded

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Geez your reading comprehension


When did they fight? When they were young!!
Proves my point

I wasnt talking about a specific generation being lazy but any generation

It's when we are young we are at our boldest and open minded

Oh isn't it terrible that you have to deal with all those old ,lazy ,stupid people who wont fall into line with your views.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh isn't it terrible that you have to deal with all those old ,lazy ,stupid people who wont fall into line with your views.

You could say the same about brexiters treatment of remainers. Calling us enemies of the people or traitors.
Only bc you got the slimmest of majorities over something you were lied to and had no idea about. Ireland, Kazanne?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wow you're like a dog with a bone stop trying to put words in people's mouths cherie it's ridiculous. :/

Am i upsetting you with my wisdom kizzy, too bad..:/

[joeysteele]

Speaking for myself only here.

All are entitled to vote.

However, my Grandparents always when voting thought of the impact of what they voted for on the lives of myself and their Grandchildren,Great Grandchildren and the next generation down too.

I'd like to hope when I am in my ,60s,70s +
If I reach that.

Then when voting, I will not think how things will or will not affect me but what I should be doing for the next and future generations.
As to the example of my own Grandparents.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Speaking for myself only here.

All are entitled to vote.

However, my Grandparents always when voting thought of the impact of what they voted for on the lives of myself and their Grandchildren,Great Grandchildren and the next generation down too.

I'd like to hope when I am in my ,60s,70s +
If I reach that.

Then when voting, I will not think how things will or will not affect me but what I should be doing for the next and future generations.
As to the example of my own Grandparents.

Surely that is what every old person who votes now and in the future vote for, whoever or whatever they vote for.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely that is what every old person who votes now and in the future vote for, whoever or whatever they vote for.

No it isn't very sadly.

I've witnessed where young people are dismayed at their Parents and Grandparents who took no heed of their concerns in the referendum.

So no,.I don't agree.

A general election, where it's only for 5 years max.
More fair enough.
Although my Grandparents and Parents looked at long term effects on the next generations.

The referendum, very much will impact on the younger generation for likely many decades.
To reverse it, will cost multi billions in the future.

My own Mum, asked me how I would be voting and my Brothers and their children how they felt.
As just about all were for remain.
She then also voted remain.

So, no I don't agree that the futures of the next generation are considered enough by older voters voting.
Even if the vote will alter dramatically, possibly negatively too, the future.

Climate change too.
The young I think are the growing support as to the issue.
Again with the much older generation dismissing it.
Unfortunately.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No it isn't very sadly.

I've witnessed where young people are dismayed at their Parents and Grandparents who took no heed of their concerns in the referendum.

So no,.I don't agree.

A general election, where it's only for 5 years max.
More fair enough.
Although my Grandparents and Parents looked at long term effects on the next generations.

The referendum, very much will impact on the younger generation for likely many decades.
To reverse it, will cost multi billions in the future.

My own Mum, asked me how I would be voting and my Brothers and their children how they felt.
As just about all were for remain.
She then also voted remain.

So, no I don't agree that the futures of the next generation are considered enough by older voters voting.
Even if the vote will alter dramatically, possibly negatively too, the future.

Climate change too.
The young I think are the growing support as to the issue.
Again with the much older generation dismissing it.
Unfortunately.

Who is to say the young people are correct though, yeah sure they believe they are, but an old person can think they are right as well and vote accordingly..


Edit....and don't take this the wrong way, but your mum...voting the way you wanted to vote astounds me..too much cotton wool upbringing in my opinion these days.


But of course that may have been going on in other houses with kids wanting to exit and the parents wanting to stay, the parents could have voted leave because thier kids wanted to...yes..will that have happened much?


Or would those parents have grounded thier kids on voting day.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nope..not one..my mum and all her friends are constantly on the golf course or socialising if they ain't looking after the grand kids or picking up the pissed grand daughter from the pub..



My dad's mates are the same..he's gone now but was working away on his bike until a few months before he died..my uncle died a few.months ago..the doctors had to drag him of his push bike and he was 82..





So no I don't know any that are lazy, so to say that old people are is ridiculous.



Im sure there are though , like the ones that prop up the bar along side the coke snorting, pool playing scruffy youths on a Tuesday afternoon though..

Running in different circles than me then Parm because in my old job I knew multiple blokes in their 60s and 70s who hadn't worked a full day in their entire life.

Im not saying all, or even many, old people are lazy buggers... I'm just saying that it's ridiculous to claim that there are "none".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't consider 60 old, but even so to call them lazy is still not nice ,my mom is in her 60s and no way is she lazy ,neither is my nan, and I am sure most of our parents are in that age bracket , should they all die so Brexit cant happen as some of them are a pain in the arse for voting to leave.Are 90year olds not allowed to vote ?

I didn't call them lazy in my reply to you or set out to insult them in any way - I just pointed out that the claim that the current older generation "fought for our freedom" is patently wrong. I haven't fought in any wars either, there's nothing immoral about not being a war hero, I'm just pointing out that people often make the mistake of thinking "old people" these days are still the WW2 veterans, but that's not the case. People in their 70s and 80s weren't old enough to have fought in WW2. So they did not "fight for our freedom" ... They are post-war boomers, who had (objectively) the easiest access to employment and housing of any point in history. Which isn't immoral either but it does give them a skewed worldview of how things would be better if they were like "the good old days when we didn't need the EU". We do need European trade now, globalisation is an economic reality that isn't going away, and trying to hide from it is going to leave this country in the dust.

[bots]

was nice of America to slap 25% tariff on whisky

bodes well for an american trade deal i think

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Who is to say the young people are correct though, yeah sure they believe they are, but an old person can think they are right as well and vote accordingly..


Edit....and don't take this the wrong way, but your mum...voting the way you wanted to vote astounds me..too much cotton wool upbringing in my opinion these days.


But of course that may have been going on in other houses with kids wanting to exit and the parents wanting to stay, the parents could have voted leave because thier kids wanted to...yes..will that have happened much?


Or would those parents have grounded thier kids on voting day.

I brought my Mum into this, with her permission so its fair game for you to make a ridiculous, though not to you comment.

Far from being wrapped in cotton wool, my Parents were strict, a little less so with me as I came around 20 years after the next Brother to me.
She cared and cares about the futures of her family..
Actually, maybe possibly not to.you, I consider that fully commendable.

As to the young maybe being wrong.
Well past generations have got things wrong also.

Leaving the EU undoubtedly will impact on the young now, in the near future and for many decades into their future.
So if they're wrong, they'd have had to live and learn on that.
From their own choice made.
Not have that forced on them however by those they may never be able to hold to account for it.

You can disagree and head into unnecessary digs all you like.
I disagree with you and always will, on the referendum and the EU and the way it all impacts on the young and future generations for the rest of their lives.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely that is what every old person who votes now and in the future vote for, whoever or whatever they vote for.

The day after the referendum I was talking to an old couple. They literally said that their reason for voting brexit was "bc the young ones have it too easy" !
I didnt continue the convo after that.
My partner's parents had no idea what they voted for, just followed what the Daily Fail told them to do. Last year they voted for brexit party in euro elections bc theres too many blacks in the country!
A friend in her 50s voted brexit bc she is pro GM food
Stupid, stupid and stupid.

So paint them as you like, my experience tells me something else

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Running in different circles than me then Parm because in my old job I knew multiple blokes in their 60s and 70s who hadn't worked a full day in their entire life.

Im not saying all, or even many, old people are lazy buggers... I'm just saying that it's ridiculous to claim that there are "none".

Even though I said I don't know any, I have known the ones that prop up the bar in the past..they looked 70 but looking back i dont think that they were much older than 40-50...this was scotland 1985-91

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I brought my Mum into this, with her permission so its fair game for you to make a ridiculous, though not to you comment.

Far from being wrapped in cotton wool, my Parents were strict, a little less so with me as I came around 20 years after the next Brother to me.
She cared and cares about the futures of her family..
Actually, maybe possibly not to.you, I consider that fully commendable.

As to the young maybe being wrong.
Well past generations have got things wrong also.

Leaving the EU undoubtedly will impact on the young now, in the near future and for many decades into their future.
So if they're wrong, they'd have had to live and learn on that.
From their own choice made.
Not have that forced on them however by those they may never be able to hold to account for it.

You can disagree and head into unnecessary digs all you like.
I disagree with you and always will, on the referendum and the EU and the way it all impacts on the young and future generations for the rest of their lives.

Not a dig at all....we shall leave it there.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The day after the referendum I was talking to an old couple. They literally said that their reason for voting brexit was "bc the young ones have it too easy" !
I didnt continue the convo after that.
My partner's parents had no idea what they voted for, just followed what the Daily Fail told them to do. Last year they voted for brexit party in euro elections bc theres too many blacks in the country!
A friend in her 50s voted brexit bc she is pro GM food
Stupid, stupid and stupid.

So paint them as you like, my experience tells me something else

I bet they walked of relieved...when you shut up

[James]

Originally Posted by Withano

I disagree. I know a lot of people my age that wouldn’t dream of voting leave again. And far more leavers have died than remainers. And most of the new voters would be remainers too.

60:40 at least imo.

I think another referendum would be as close as before.

The trouble with it is that it is being promoted by people who supported remain before and still want to remain, rather than people who voted leave before and have changed their minds.

A lot of leave voters, in the event of a new referendum, would think that their vote didn't count the first time.

I think leave would be the favourite to win again - I don't see much evidence of many changed minds.

I'd give remain no more than a 1 in 3 chance of winning.

But even in the event of remain winning a new vote we have consider the after effects - what you would get is a block of voters who vote for an anti-EU party at every forthcoming election, and the issue would never go away.

The best option is to leave with a deal.

[Parmy]

I was talking to the young apprentice at work 2 mins ago, I asked him about brexit...


He said..."I want to remain cause Boris has a silly haircut bruv"

Double tea duties tomorrow for young Lewis.