[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She doesn't need me to respond but I hate the tactics you resorted to. How am I shutting down debate by responding to you basically saying that Kizzy can't criticise a government unless she, a private citizen, can solve a political crisis that lifelong politicians can't? That's the definition of shutdown tactics.

Hardly, I was interested to know if she might have a solution, it was genuine question, encouraging response rather than denying it

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hardly, I was interested to know if she might have a solution, it was genuine question, encouraging response rather than denying it

I have a solution

No brexit bc the best deal is staying in the EU

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I have a solution

No Brexit because the best deal is staying in the EU

No the LibDem idea
is Dead.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Jobs and livelihoods are at stake, Cherie. People's lives will be ruined if Boris tries to force No Deal. Even the government's own Yellowhammer report said as much and we've only seen the best case scenario of that report, there are worse ones yet to be revealed. With that in mind, I can't be all like 'aw, poor Brexiters are upset' when it's likely my own livelihood at stake as well as the livelihoods of plenty of people throughout the UK. Brexiters can get the **** over being told some uncomfortable truths but lives will be ruined by a no deal Brexit.

Enlightened centrism gets us nowhere.

Gosh, nobody knew the above until you told us, it's not like its been rammed down our throats ad infinitum 24 hours a day

the point I am making is if you want to someone to come round to your way of thinking, abusing them is not going to make them in any way amenable,

gammon, remoaner, bigot, racist, undemocratic, stupid, deluded ect ect what's the point in trotting out these insults, and then expecting the other side to nod along with what you are saying, the problem we have here is people take a childish delight in slinging out as many insults as they can to describe the people on the opposing side, then they expect that side to actually listen to what they are saying....incredible! and then have the nerve to call people stupid

[lime]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know yeah, sort out "their" border indeed

How is it that those born and raised in UK and have a vote bout the Irish..but have no comprehension about the Irish ?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I have a solution

No brexit bc the best deal is staying in the EU

That is of course a solution, but will require MPs to actually vote for a 2nd referendum, they have already voted against it ...and then for the people to actually vote to stay



I was in favour of a second referendum for ages, not any more,

given the insults traded on both sides, everyone's backs are up, everyone wants their side to 'win'

the only way out of this now is to leave with a deal of some description

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

No the LibDem idea
is Dead.

Then come up with something better

Your side broke it so now fix it

Asking remainers for a solution is like asking the victim of a car accident to fix the car that caused it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lime

How is it that those born and raised in UK and have a vote bout the Irish..but have no comprehension about the Irish ?

Because we've been learning about genders instead.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Gosh, nobody knew the above until you told us, it's not like its been rammed down our throats ad infinitum 24 hours a day

the point I am making is if you want to someone to come round to your way of thinking, abusing them is not going to make them in any way amenable,

gammon, remoaner, bigot, racist, undemocratic, stupid, deluded ect ect what's the point in trotting out these insults, and then expecting the other side to nod along with what you are saying, the problem we have here is people take a childish delight in slinging out as many insults as they can to describe the people on the opposing side, then they expect that side to actually listen to what they are saying....incredible! and then have the nerve to call people stupid

Dont you get it? Theres no argument to be had bc leavers are not interested. Their opinions are not based on facts but on blind faith.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That is of course a solution, but will require MPs to actually vote for a 2nd referendum, they have already voted against it ...and then for the people to actually vote to stay



I was in favour of a second referendum for ages, not any more,

given the insults traded on both sides, everyone's backs are up, everyone wants their side to 'win'

the only way out of this now is to leave with a deal of some description

Yikes Cherie

It must not be a deal of some description.It must be an acceptable deal for all,

What BJ is offering is good for DUP...not for Ireland

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Gosh, nobody knew the above until you told us, it's not like its been rammed down our throats ad infinitum 24 hours a day

the point I am making is if you want to someone to come round to your way of thinking, abusing them is not going to make them in any way amenable,

gammon, remoaner, bigot, racist, undemocratic, stupid, deluded ect ect what's the point in trotting out these insults, and then expecting the other side to nod along with what you are saying, the problem we have here is people take a childish delight in slinging out as many insults as they can to describe the people on the opposing side, then they expect that side to actually listen to what they are saying....incredible! and then have the nerve to call people stupid

I don't care if someone that's wilfully ignorant comes around to my way of thinking. Reality is reality, Brexiters can either face up to it or bury their head in the sand like cowards. I am beyond patience with people who are wilfully ignorant. I'm not here to change minds, I'm telling people to get with reality or continue to be deep dicked by the elite that are using their gullibility to further their own ends.

It doesn't matter if people listen or not, reality is reality and clutching your pearls in faux outrage won't change that. Boo ****ing hoo if someone is upset because I think Brexiters are easily led, their actions and their continued ignorance is leading to bad times for us all. **** their feelings when they are leading us all off a cliff for a shallow sense of victory.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lime

Yikes Cherie

It must not be a deal of some description.It must be an acceptable deal for all,

What BJ is offering is good for DUP...not for Ireland

Lime the deal will of course have to satisfy all otherwise it will not be passed so that goes without saying ? no yikes about it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't care if someone that's wilfully ignorant comes around to my way of thinking. Reality is reality, Brexiters can either face up to it or bury their head in the sand like cowards. I am beyond patience with people who are wilfully ignorant. I'm not here to change minds, I'm telling people to get with reality or continue to be deep dicked by the elite that are using their gullibility to further their own ends.

It doesn't matter if people listen or not, reality is reality and clutching your pearls in faux outrage won't change that. Boo ****ing hoo if someone is upset because I think Brexiters are easily led, their actions and their continued ignorance is leading to bad times for us all. **** their feelings when they are leading us all off a cliff for a shallow sense of victory.

you use that pearls analogy so often you must have a drawerful of them by now, try a different analogy maybe, it might have more impact. No one is outraged, just sick and tired of the abuse being hurled on both sides, you revel in in obviously

Given Parliament are striving to take no deal off the table, only a handful want to drive us off a cliff

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Bc they have no good argument for leaving, that's why!

Their arguments dont stack up or are based on lies they were told.

Just by accident we found out for example that Kazanne, one of the leavers, thought uk owned all of ireland. People cant tell the difference between EU, single market and customs union.

I never thought that at all , dont twist and lie !!!

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I never thought that at all , dont twist and lie !!!

You did. You didnt know Ireland was an independent country. Own your mistakes

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One for Alf, I know he cited the abuse of our fishing industries as a reason for wanting to leave.

Originally Posted by Alf

Because we've been learning about genders instead.

In case you missed it from earlier in the thread.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You did. You didnt know Ireland was an independent country. Own your mistakes

I never ever thought the UK owned Ireland, its pointless explaining to you my thoughts on it,as you know it all in your own head.

[AnnieK]

I think the name calling on here is as indicative as real life. The split between leave / remain has left a huge chasm. The Politicians can't keep it civil so the public have followed suit. Both sides think they are right, people feel their lives and livelihoods are at risk, it was bound to get emotive. I know who people have fallen out in real life over this so was bound to spill over into online life. My facebook and twitter is full if it too....

[Alf]

Just laugh at him Kaz, he'll boil your blood otherwise.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think the name calling on here is as indicative as real life. The split between leave / remain has left a huge chasm. The Politicians can't keep it civil so the public have followed suit. Both sides think they are right, people feel their lives and livelihoods are at risk, it was bound to get emotive. I know who people have fallen out in real life over this so was bound to spill over into online life. My facebook and twitter is full if it too....

Twat

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Twat

I know I am

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

Just laugh at him Kaz, he'll boil your blood otherwise.

It would take more than him Alf,I'm made of strong stuff

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think the name calling on here is as indicative as real life. The split between leave / remain has left a huge chasm. The Politicians can't keep it civil so the public have followed suit. Both sides think they are right, people feel their lives and livelihoods are at risk, it was bound to get emotive. I know who people have fallen out in real life over this so was bound to spill over into online life. My facebook and twitter is full if it too....

The thing is Annie people could respond in a friendly way but they don't,I don't think its worth falling out over especially in real life, we all have our own opinions just some of us get shouted down everytime we post one so it's kind of pointless, and woe betide we make a mistake ! it would just be nice to get some friendly banter like Alfs and aristas ,not the veiled insults all the time.Happy to say I haven't fell out with anyone about it in real life..yet

[jet]

Originally Posted by lime

Well let's not call it a debate ...more a discussion.?
You spoke about your loss during the war..but paid no heed to those who lost loved ones by actions who are loyal to the crown.


Yes I am a voice..I'm A Boer..you have a very simular attitude to UVF who don't forget were armed by AWB

How dare you align my attitudes in any way to the UVF! Any time I have been discussing the Troubles on here it is mainly in reference to Corbyn's involvement to the IRA.
If he had been on the side of the UVF I would have been referring to those murderous pigs instead, but he wasn't.
I have many times past and present denounced ALL terrorism.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The thing is Annie people could respond in a friendly way but they don't,I don't think its worth falling out over especially in real life, we all have our own opinions just some of us get shouted down everytime we post one so it's kind of pointless, and woe betide we make a mistake ! it would just be nice to get some friendly banter like Alfs and aristas ,not the veiled insults all the time.Happy to say I haven't fell out with anyone about it in real life..yet

It would be nice Kaz, I completely agree but it just won't happen. I have had some heated discussions with people but they have always ended with a laugh BUT when people are frustrated that they don't think they are being heard, it will get heated and if we do crash out with no deal, I fear it will lead to an awful lot more. If the Yellowhammer warnings start to happen, there will be an awful lot of very angry people,people who lose their jobs, homes etc. I am genuinely frightened of what could happen