[Oliver_W]

Honestly I think they're as legit as each other.

The voting system in the USA was specifically designed so that the Presidency wouldn't be chosen by two or three of the most populated states. I'm not saying the system is good, I'm saying it does what it's designed to. Presidents have been losing the popular vote since the 1820s.

As for Brexit, while more information is available now than it was a few years back, and it's been nearly as long as a parliamentary term since the vote happened. People can try to stop anything they disagree with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Honestly I think they're as legit as each other.

The voting system in the USA was specifically designed so that the Presidency wouldn't be chosen by two or three of the most populated states. I'm not saying the system is good, I'm saying it does what it's designed to. Presidents have been losing the popular vote since the 1820s.

As for Brexit, while more information is available now than it was a few years back, and it's been nearly as long as a parliamentary term since the vote happened. People can try to stop anything they disagree with.

not much more to say than ^^^

[Kizzy]

Great question mock I'm not sure how presidential elections work fully if I'm honest.
There could have it seems been a hand in both elections which of coursevmakes them both wholly undemocratic.
The people have the right to change their mind even after a vote imo.
Look at if you bought a car, and you're asked to sign a sales agreement, but the dealer refused to provide you with the copy of the terms and conditions and recipt they had and then ripped them up. Would you still keep the car?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Great question mock I'm not sure how presidential elections work fully if I'm honest.
There could have it seems been a hand in both elections which of coursevmakes them both wholly undemocratic.
The people have the right to change their mind even after a vote imo.
Look at if you bought a car, and you're asked to sign a sales agreement, but the dealer refused to provide you with the copy of the terms and conditions and recipt they had and then ripped them up. Would you still keep the car?

did you say this after the scottish referendum , i cant recall?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

did you say this after the scottish referendum , i cant recall?

Well that's another dupe to me the Scots at the time had no knowledge that brexit was imminent, so to me they are within their rights to ask for another referendum.
However as a Labour supporter I would prefer the UK to stay whole and tackle the issues we all face together.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Great question mock I'm not sure how presidential elections work fully if I'm honest.
There could have it seems been a hand in both elections which of coursevmakes them both wholly undemocratic.
The people have the right to change their mind even after a vote imo.
Look at if you bought a car, and you're asked to sign a sales agreement, but the dealer refused to provide you with the copy of the terms and conditions and recipt they had and then ripped them up. Would you still keep the car?

Thanks.

I'm not up on all of it either, I just know that Donald Trump received 3 million votes less than Hilary yet is President of the United States.

And no I wouldn't keep the car in that scenario.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Honestly I think they're as legit as each other.

The voting system in the USA was specifically designed so that the Presidency wouldn't be chosen by two or three of the most populated states. I'm not saying the system is good, I'm saying it does what it's designed to. Presidents have been losing the popular vote since the 1820s.

As for Brexit, while more information is available now than it was a few years back, and it's been nearly as long as a parliamentary term since the vote happened. People can try to stop anything they disagree with.

The voting system in the US was designed to give slave owners in the south disproportionate power.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The voting system in the US was designed to give slave owners in the south disproportionate power.

now the south financially they are at a huge disadvantage, money talks

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

now the south financially they are at a huge disadvantage, money talks

Not sure I get what you mean.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

now the south financially they are at a huge disadvantage, money talks

It's like how people claim "the USA was built on slavery" when slavery was more common in the states which took longer to develop than the rest.
I mean, it's no surprise that areas knuckle-dragging enough to keep slaves couldn't effectively do stuff.

[bots]

Trump won the election and the fundamental rules were accepted by all sides before the event. You can't then change the rules when you don't like the result. The same applies to the brexit vote.

Cheating and manipulation of the systems are a different issue

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump won the election and the fundamental rules were accepted by all sides before the event. You can't then change the rules when you don't like the result. The same applies to the brexit vote.

Cheating and manipulation of the systems are a different issue

agreed its a rather misleading comparison if indeed any comparison could be drawn. I expect the poll will just be a do you like Trump poll?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump won the election and the fundamental rules were accepted by all sides before the event. You can't then change the rules when you don't like the result. The same applies to the brexit vote.

Cheating and manipulation of the systems are a different issue

...but you can’t change the rules to determine the result either, though...it has to be equally applied...and if there was ‘cheating and manipulation’ which led to the result, then the whole thing of democracy wouldn’t apply...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but you can’t change the rules to determine the result either, though...it has to be equally applied...and if there was ‘cheating and manipulation’ which led to the result, then the whole thing of democracy wouldn’t apply...

Roger Stone - one of trumps guys was sent to prison the other day for lying to congress about coordinating with wiki leaks to reveal stolen democratic emails. A point that trump also lied about in his testimony to mueller.

Vote leave also took part in some nefarious practices, for which both gove and Johnson are under investigation for.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The voting system in the US was designed to give slave owners in the south disproportionate power.

The Southern states have higher populations, so they technically have less voting power now,funny how that worked out

[Ammi]

...have you seen The Big Hack, Mock..?...I’m not sure how democratically selected, Trump was....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...have you seen The Big Hack, Mock..?...I’m not sure how democratically selected, Trump was....

No I haven't, is it a Documentary? I will check it out at some point anyway.

Thanks for recommending it to me Ammi.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No I haven't, is it a Documentary? I will check it out at some point anyway.

Thanks for recommending it to me Ammi.

...it’s The Great Hack, Mock...and I think it’s on Netflix atm..