[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well the first three arts were marginally all over the place but I still enjoyed it . An awful lot going on.

Seeing Clark and Lois from Smallville was fun; not sure how I feel about the conclusion to the Smallville story though!

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Lex Luthor is president, which was foreshadowed by the show... But also Clark has given up his abilities completely to have kids and live on the farm? ... I mean yeah he always hated the responsibility I think so it's not out of character, but it would have worked better if they'd had Smallville's Lex dealt with and locked up - allowing Clark to hang up his cape... But sitting in the Whitehouse? Hmmm.

Overall a fun ride though. Bit of a wait for the conclusion. I am now totally convinced that Supergirl's earth and Earth-1 are going to merge, though.

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I like to think that Smallville's Lex Luthor has come full circle by Crisis and he's probably gotten over his issues and has become a decent president. Maybe without Superman around, he mellowed out.

I thought it was a decent end for Smallville, much better than they had in the actual show tbh.

I've got a feeling they might chicken out of doing any major changes to the status quo and revert the multiverse back to how it was (mostly because it gives them narrative power to pretty much bring a version of anyone back at any time which they do like to do) but I do hope they limit the multiverse stuff a bit, they use it as an easy out far too often. I hope they merge Earth-1 with Black Lightning's and Supergirl's just to bring the shows under one universe, keep a few other Earths in place for the sake of Wells and other fun cameos down the line but don't do more than that.

It's been a fun crossover so far, I think they could have introduced Ryan Choi earlier though, there's no reason he couldn't have had his introduction in Flash at some point prior to Crisis as the whole 'Oliver becoming The Spectre' thing seemed to be a bigger deal and it got barely any time in the last episode.

I'm looking forward to the last two episodes, shame we have to wait for them

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

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I like to think that Smallville's Lex Luthor has come full circle by Crisis and he's probably gotten over his issues and has become a decent president. Maybe without Superman around, he mellowed out.

I thought it was a decent end for Smallville, much better than they had in the actual show tbh.

I've got a feeling they might chicken out of doing any major changes to the status quo and revert the multiverse back to how it was (mostly because it gives them narrative power to pretty much bring a version of anyone back at any time which they do like to do) but I do hope they limit the multiverse stuff a bit, they use it as an easy out far too often. I hope they merge Earth-1 with Black Lightning's and Supergirl's just to bring the shows under one universe, keep a few other Earths in place for the sake of Wells and other fun cameos down the line but don't do more than that.

It's been a fun crossover so far, I think they could have introduced Ryan Choi earlier though, there's no reason he couldn't have had his introduction in Flash at some point prior to Crisis as the whole 'Oliver becoming The Spectre' thing seemed to be a bigger deal and it got barely any time in the last episode.

I'm looking forward to the last two episodes, shame we have to wait for them

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It's a shame they couldn't get Rosenbaum, I agree it would have been a great end for Smallville-Lex if he had actually "gotten better" and him and Clark had regained mutual respect (if not friendship) and that was all part of Clark's decision to hang up the cape. Their relationship was obviously very different to the "usual" Superman/Luthor dynamic, and through most of the show Lex was generally "good" deep down he just went a bit off the rails... so a different ending would have been fitting. I guess it can just be head-canon?

Come to think of it, I think the Lena/Kara relationship in SG has clearly been based on the Clark/Lex Smallville relationship, if a little more on-the-nose.
I always thought that if Clark had shown Lex some trust earlier on instead of basically gaslighting the poor guy for 5+ seasons, it might have gone totally differently

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

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It's a shame they couldn't get Rosenbaum, I agree it would have been a great end for Smallville-Lex if he had actually "gotten better" and him and Clark had regained mutual respect (if not friendship) and that was all part of Clark's decision to hang up the cape. Their relationship was obviously very different to the "usual" Superman/Luthor dynamic, and through most of the show Lex was generally "good" deep down he just went a bit off the rails... so a different ending would have been fitting. I guess it can just be head-canon?

Come to think of it, I think the Lena/Kara relationship in SG has clearly been based on the Clark/Lex Smallville relationship, if a little more on-the-nose.
I always thought that if Clark had shown Lex some trust earlier on instead of basically gaslighting the poor guy for 5+ seasons, it might have gone totally differently

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I do despise Lena's story in the new season of Supergirl, it's like the good seasons of Smallville without what made Clark and Lex's friendship compelling.

For someone as smart as Lena's meant to be, they're doing a great job of writing her like an idiot. 'I'm not a villain! I just want to brainwash people into living the way I want them to!'

I feel like Lex's dark turn in Smallville made more sense, especially considering he was a dark person to begin with. Lena went from trying to be good to instant supervillain over the course of a season break.

I'm hoping they course correct Lena in the second half of the season. They are trying to force an arc that doesn't really make sense for the character.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

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I do despise Lena's story in the new season of Supergirl, it's like the good seasons of Smallville without what made Clark and Lex's friendship compelling.

For someone as smart as Lena's meant to be, they're doing a great job of writing her like an idiot. 'I'm not a villain! I just want to brainwash people into living the way I want them to!'

I feel like Lex's dark turn in Smallville made more sense, especially considering he was a dark person to begin with. Lena went from trying to be good to instant supervillain over the course of a season break.

I'm hoping they course correct Lena in the second half of the season. They are trying to force an arc that doesn't really make sense for the character.

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Indeed - Lex was always a person with a lot of darkness and loneliness from his upbringing who was trying really hard to be good but eventually "gave in"... Lena has been portrayed as a generally good person who has gone darkside for a really flimsy reason. It's a rubbish arc. They're kind of showing signs of just cancelling it / her "wavering" in Crisis IMO and I hope they do tbh.

Other thoughts: I actually think Ruby Rose's Batwoman has been well used, well acted and a generally pretty decent character in Crisis?? She plays really well alongside Kara. But the solo show is barely watchable. Kind of shows, for me, that the core character and actress are not the problem at all... it's the writing, showrunning and supporting characters. A shame because I'm not sure the show can be saved at this point, the reviews and ratings are abysmal.