[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a great article and you can leave a comment at the end and see how popular your view is by the readers of the website - green of they like it and RED if they dont

After you. You go and tell them you voted SNP. Let's see how your green to red ratio among the Daily Hail readers is

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a great article and you can leave a comment at the end and see how popular your view is by the readers of the website - green of they like it and RED if they dont

So you’re just doing it for attention?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

So you’re just doing it for attention?

No its their comments section - every article has it in that site. Its a bit like the like button many members crave, its a huge and popular part of the DM's massive success

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and what about all the labour voters who voted tory?

If they voted Tory, they are a Tory. Anyone who had access to all the information at hand and still chose to vote Tory is deserving of everything they're going to get.

The only joy to come out of this will be to rub their faces in the pile of **** they've created. They got what they wanted after all, to them it'll smell like roses. They'll be overjoyed having to pay hundreds of pounds per month for medication they need, they'll be so happy that the Tories have gifted them with less public services, they'll be so happy if they face ruin if they just so happen to lose their jobs because of an increasingly predatory benefits system that will only force them into a spiral of debt. When (or if, considering what will likely happen to the NHS) they are too old to live independently, they can look forward to the joy of living their final days in a state run nursing home with minimal facilities or care. It'll be a pleasure for them, I'm sure.

After all, they're gonna get what they wanted all along right? Such wonderful things are a small price to pay for a quick and disastrous brexit and the empty promise of less immigration.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

How is that sad?

Thinking the worst is going to happen all the time,no one knows yet,he might be a good PM.

[Twosugars]

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP


This is how broken the voting system is

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Thinking the worst is going to happen all the time,no one knows yet,he might be a good PM.

The evidence of his past actions suggest otherwise.

[Twosugars]

Growing calls for electoral reform after vote share per party is revealed

Green MPs elected in yesterday’s general election represented more than 850,000 votes while SNP MPs represented under 26,000, according to figures from the Electoral Reform Society.

More than 330,000 votes were needed to elect a Liberal Democrat, compared to 50,000 for Labour and 38,000 for Plaid Cymru and Conservative candidates.

Meanwhile, the Brexit Party won more than 642,000 votes but failed to get any representatives in the House of Commons.

Overall, the Electoral Reform Society claims that 45.3% of votes did not get any representation, because of the number of voters who didn’t support the winning candidate.


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��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP#ScrapFPTP

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The figures, which come from analysing the number of votes compared to the number of MPs elected, have led to renewed calls for electoral reform.

Former Green party leader and Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas used her election victory speech to call for an end to the first past the post voting system, saying she felt “anger that our political system is so badly broken and is still letting down individuals and our country so badly”.

“Our electoral system is rotten to the core,” she said.

Last week, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage pledged to change the party’s name to the Reform Party after the UK’s departure from the EU, in order to campaign for a proportional voting system.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll

[Tom4784]

Nothing will change, it doesn't benefit the Tory overlords to change the system. We are simply a one party nation now.

[Twosugars]

For once I agree with Farage on this.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Kaz , people are already suffering do you watch the news and see all the cut backs and homeless people and endless food banks . And the NHS is holding on by s thread , people not getting appointments you name it .

Of course I watch the news and there have always been homeless people, we do try and help them,foodbanks were set up to help the needy and I got an appointment last week so I don't quite follow that one,the NHS gets vasts amounts of money but is mismanaged a lot and is overused ,I think you know what I mean,its not down to just one body that is responsible ,we ALL have to be.

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Thinking the worst is going to happen all the time,no one knows yet,he might be a good PM.

It’s hard to be optimistic when we’ve been through nearly a decade of austerity, with no change coming anytime soon. Your only rebuttal for when someone says the government should fund the impoverished, is that they shouldn’t take advantage of system and find a job? It’s really not that easy...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP


This is how broken the voting system is

This is the answer to littlejohn as to why the newly independent mps failed to win seats without having an established party machine behind them.

But then he already knows this and just peddles demagougery and lies to Daily Heil readers who swallow them up eagerly

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course I watch the news and there have always been homeless people, we do try and help them,foodbanks were set up to help the needy and I got an appointment last week so I don't quite follow that one,the NHS gets vasts amounts of money but is mismanaged a lot and is overused ,I think you know what I mean,its not down to just one body that is responsible ,we ALL have to be.

Still waiting for your answer to this post of mine in the other thread

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You mean like the bankers who caused the crisis.
And yet we bailed them out and paid for it with austerity.
The rich ****ed up, the poor paid. Tory justice.

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Still waiting for your answer to this post of mine in the other thread

She hasn’t got one

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Great article by Richard Littlejohn:

They wanted a second People's Vote... and they got the one they deserved

This wasn't just a defiant reaffirmation of the EU referendum result, it was a
damning repudiation of those who have spent the past three and a half years
trying to Stop Brexit.

It also served as a timely reminder that there is life outside the Westminster
bubble, that social media is not the real world.

As late as Thursday lunchtime, political commentators were confidently
predicting a hung parliament on the evidence of a handful of photos on
Twitter showing a few dozen young people queueing at polling stations in
London.

Like children chasing a football round a school playground, they all rushed to
follow the herd.

The Corbynistas were crushed. The self-deluding Remain Alliance, which
thought it could bully the British people into reversing the referendum result,
was routed.

This time it was personal. This time they were on the ballot. They had
everything to lose. And lose they did, on a spectacular scale. They didn't just
lose a referendum, they lost their jobs. They had it coming.


Grieve, Gauke, Soubry Loo and the rest were all sent packing. Not a single
one of the turncoat Tory MPs who rebelled against their own government over
Brexit managed to retain their seats.


Nor did any of those who resigned the Labour whip to join Change UK or the
Lib Dems, Chucky Umunna included. What an ignominious downfall for the
man dubbed (by himself, probably) Britain's Barack Obama.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...e-got-one.html

52% voted for remain parties, and 48% voted for leave parties. It's all irrelevant now as we have a nice Brexit to look forward to. The only good thing to come from this election is the fact there is no way the tories can keep underfunding the NHS any longer after both the way they were criticised for it, and their promises.

The electorate voted for the daily heil platform, so I'm excited to see how the Gypsy pogroms and stripping oversight away from parliament (both in their manifesto) works out in a nice healthy democracy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Cherie]

In all honesty I think some of the language used by remainers has helped rather than hindered Brexit, some working class leavers got fed up of being told they were stupid, didn't know what they were voting for, were racist, and even if they were wobbling about leaving, their backs were up from some of the rhetoric and here we are

The Lib Dems did nada to help the remain cause, some remainers could not get behind,'just revoke' either, as well as having an unpopular leader

[Crimson Dynamo]

The rise of the Red Tory

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In all honesty I think some of the language used by remainers has helped rather than hindered Brexit, some working class leavers got fed up of being told they were stupid, didn't know what they were voting for, were racist, and even if they were wobbling about leaving, their backs were up from some of the rhetoric and here we are

The Lib Dems did nada to help the remain cause, some remainers could not get behind,'just revoke' either, as well as having an unpopular leader

Yay, fragile people got bored of being told they were stupid and went out and proved it instead!

The public cannot be helped, they are lemmings at this point and they deserve what they're gonna get and I don't want to hear a single complaint from anyone that voted Tory because they will get exactly what they voted for. There's no more excuses for them now, they can't pin anything on remainers or labour now that Boris' tories have a majority. They only have themselves to blame from here on out.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The rise of the Red Tory

The only Tories are blue, anyone that voted for the Tories cannot call themselves Labour, especially with this election in which the NHS is on the line. Trying to desperately spin a narrative in which Labour voters voted for Tories won't work. Only Tories vote for Tories.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP


This is how broken the voting system is

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Growing calls for electoral reform after vote share per party is revealed

Green MPs elected in yesterday’s general election represented more than 850,000 votes while SNP MPs represented under 26,000, according to figures from the Electoral Reform Society.

More than 330,000 votes were needed to elect a Liberal Democrat, compared to 50,000 for Labour and 38,000 for Plaid Cymru and Conservative candidates.

Meanwhile, the Brexit Party won more than 642,000 votes but failed to get any representatives in the House of Commons.

Overall, the Electoral Reform Society claims that 45.3% of votes did not get any representation, because of the number of voters who didn’t support the winning candidate.


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✔
@electoralreform
Across Britain, it took...

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP#ScrapFPTP

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The figures, which come from analysing the number of votes compared to the number of MPs elected, have led to renewed calls for electoral reform.

Former Green party leader and Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas used her election victory speech to call for an end to the first past the post voting system, saying she felt “anger that our political system is so badly broken and is still letting down individuals and our country so badly”.

“Our electoral system is rotten to the core,” she said.

Last week, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage pledged to change the party’s name to the Reform Party after the UK’s departure from the EU, in order to campaign for a proportional voting system.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll

While I see what you're saying, to change the electoral system would basically need to entire government system to change. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, just that it's bigger than some seem to think.

MPs each represent a constituency - some are bigger than others, as smallish towns and their orbiting villages are different sizes (and demographics*) to big cities. Brighton is pretty big, probably bigger than a Tory town.

The PM represents the party which achieves the most MPs, i.e. the party with the most constituency representatives.

The way PR is being proposed isn't even fully defined, as far as I know. The seats in Parliament would be divided according to the percentage of votes, sure. But how would they be allocated? Can you guarantee that every constituency would get an MP from the party their majority voted for? Probably not.


*I'm not even talking about ethnic demographics. I'm a small town bumpkin, I'm nothing like you weirdo city folks in That London

[Crimson Dynamo]

I also think that many younger people are shocked that their social media lied to them and let them down. They had seen all the memes, the tweets, the soundbites and they were convinced that Labour would easily win, the lIb dems would do well as would the greens.

Its a victory for reality and a defeat for the mobile phone

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In all honesty I think some of the language used by remainers has helped rather than hindered Brexit, some working class leavers got fed up of being told they were stupid, didn't know what they were voting for, were racist, and even if they were wobbling about leaving, their backs were up from some of the rhetoric and here we are

The Lib Dems did nada to help the remain cause, some remainers could not get behind,'just revoke' either, as well as having an unpopular leader

Not entirely sure it's fair to blame remainers for yet another thing. We're getting close to blaming remain when peoples boilers break at this stage. The public spoke out on their priorities, and they were mostly stopping immigration. There is no doubt that brexit is a racist endeavour at this stage. All election cycle it was pointed out what the conservatives had done for the last decade, and the results showed that people didn't give a sh1t. At what point are folks accountable for their own ballots?

Ideas of community, and the health of a society being measured by how we treat those with the least, are obsolete on this island.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course I watch the news and there have always been homeless people, we do try and help them,foodbanks were set up to help the needy and I got an appointment last week so I don't quite follow that one,the NHS gets vasts amounts of money but is mismanaged a lot and is overused ,I think you know what I mean,its not down to just one body that is responsible ,we ALL have to be.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I also think that many younger people are shocked that their social media lied to them and let them down. They had seen all the memes, the tweets, the soundbites and they were convinced that Labour would easily win, the lIb dems would do well as would the greens.

Its a victory for reality and a defeat for the mobile phone

Yeah blame the young now