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Ammi · 20-02-2020, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy

Yes that's true.

It definitely is something worth debating and pushing for change is always a good thing, that's not what I was getting at in my post.

...just going back for a moment to the firefighter who took his own life at his fire station..(..Andrew Moore...)...when I made the thread, I thought how sad it was and how suicide was such a talking point atm because of Caroline And obviously for someone to take their lives at their work place as well, a place we associate with life saving and life preserving..?...but obviously his hasn’t gained the attention in the same way because the irony of it all is the unfortunate timing and all focus on Caroline’s story...it made me think about the ‘value of lives’...do some have less value than others, of course not...not to family and loved ones...but to the media, yes most definitely I would say...

Livia · 20-02-2020, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

social media etc is just another manifestation of mob mentality. We cannot change the fundamental characteristics of what we are ... animals ... no matter how much we would like to dress it up. That is the simple truth

Wouldn't it be satisfying though, to send the very stupid, the very racist, the very homophobic, back to Speaker's Corner if they want a say?

Josy · 20-02-2020, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...just going back for a moment to the firefighter who took his own life at his fire station..(..Andrew Moore...)...when I made the thread, I thought how sad it was and how suicide was such a talking point atm because of Caroline And obviously for someone to take their lives at their work place as well, a place we associate with life saving and life preserving..?...but obviously his hasn’t gained the attention in the same way because the irony of it all is the unfortunate timing and all focus on Caroline’s story...it made me think about the ‘value of lives’...do some have less value than others, of course not...not to family and loved ones...but to the media, yes most definitely I would say...

Ah I was thinking along the same lines, I actually made a thread about it there

Ammi · 20-02-2020, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy

Ah I was thinking along the same lines, I actually made a thread about it there

...yeah I just saw it after I made the post.../...great minds, eh...

Twosugars · 20-02-2020, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

There needs to be a few prosecutions of people spreading the kind of hate online that wrecks people's lives; blackening someone's name when all they have is more Internet swill to back themselves up. The Internet is such a wonderful tool, sadly it has also given a voice to the stupidest.

Agree.

Marsh. · 20-02-2020, 12:22 PM

Yeah, my take is more on the slanderous nature of the actual publications and the harassment people get from paps/reporters more than the "be kinder" thing directed at general social media. It's just social media has become an echo chamber for those tabloid stories.

So people can be kinder in their comments/approach to discussions but they're still helping to circulate the gossip/fake news still originating with the papers. And that' what needs changing imo. Change that and there will be significantly less baseless gossip for social media to pick over in regards to fragile people in the public eye.

Marsh. · 20-02-2020, 12:25 PM

I don't think a "where's his thread" in regards to the fireman is fair though. Caroline was a celebrity, so of course that will generate more discussion, especially since the circumstances leading to her death have played out in the public eye, unlike another member of the public nobody knows/has heard of.

Ammi · 20-02-2020, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think a "where's his thread" in regards to the fireman is fair though. Caroline was a celebrity, so of course that will generate more discussion, especially since the circumstances leading to her death have played out in the public eye, unlike another member of the public nobody knows/has heard of.

...I think that’s really fair comment, Marsh...but I think his story would have had a bit more interest...(...someone who saves lives, taking their life in their work place is quite an unusually sad story..)...had it not have been the irony of the timing, with Caroline’s story being so much the focus...

Marsh. · 20-02-2020, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think that’s really fair comment, Marsh...but I think his story would have had a bit more interest...(...someone who saves lives, taking their life in their work place is quite an unusually sad story..)...had it not have been the irony of the timing, with Caroline’s story being so much the focus...

Oh definitely, I just mean in terms of generating online discussion, one life and death that played out in the public eye with people knowing a lot about her versus an unknown member of the public whose life we knew nothing of.

Ammi · 20-02-2020, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh definitely, I just mean in terms of generating online discussion, one life and death that played out in the public eye with people knowing a lot about her versus an unknown member of the public whose life we knew nothing of.

...considering she’s not a celebrity that everyone’s aware of, it’s amazing the impact that her suicide has had on so many people in terms of them talking about it and discussions...I think because it’s generally raised some public a awareness things as well, especially with mental health issues...which is a huge positive...

Alf · 20-02-2020, 01:17 PM

Any news on the funeral yet?

Ammi · 20-02-2020, 01:32 PM

...I don’t think the inquest is over yet, is it...

Marsh. · 20-02-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...considering she’s not a celebrity that everyone’s aware of, it’s amazing the impact that her suicide has had on so many people in terms of them talking about it and discussions...I think because it’s generally raised some public a awareness things as well, especially with mental health issues...which is a huge positive...

Yeah I think suicide hits home for a lot of people.

Tom4784 · 20-02-2020, 01:40 PM

I hate the whole attitude that Caroline's suicide somehow diminishes the firefighter's. It's just gross and both are tragedies and it's only natural that people will be more invested in this story because people will feel like they know Caroline better through her work. She would have been a regular fixture in some people's homes for the past few years.

The focus on her death doesn't diminish the firefighters and it's gross that it's being made out to be some kind of competition especially when people are just using these tragedies for clout on social media.

Alf · 20-02-2020, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah I think suicide hits home for a lot of people.

It's the most painful, shocking thing I've ever experienced.

I never understood what a broken heart meant, until I went through that experience. You physically feel like you lost a part of yourself.

Josy · 20-02-2020, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I hate the whole attitude that Caroline's suicide somehow diminishes the firefighter's. It's just gross and both are tragedies and it's only natural that people will be more invested in this story because people will feel like they know Caroline better through her work. She would have been a regular fixture in some people's homes for the past few years.

The focus on her death doesn't diminish the firefighters and it's gross that it's being made out to be some kind of competition especially when people are just using these tragedies for clout on social media.

If this is referring to my post then you're completely wrong, it's not being made into any competition not from me personally, the point is that any suicide is an awful tragedy, not just when its someone famous.

Yes caroline will have been a fixture in some homes over the years but the thing is, they still dont know her, regardless of how often she was on thier tv that's a persona, not the real person, the only people that truly knew her where her friends and family, its gross for people that never knew her to act like they did not to mention disrespectful to her family and friends, who are the people that are really hurting here

Marsh. · 20-02-2020, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

If this is referring to my post then you're completely wrong, it's not being made into any competition not from me personally, the point is that any suicide is an awful tragedy, not just when its someone famous.

Yes caroline will have been a fixture in some homes over the years but the thing is, they still dont know her, regardless of how often she was on thier tv that's a persona, not the real person, the only people that truly knew her where her friends and family.

Yeah but when it comes to discussing the suicide of a TV personality vs a member of the public, they are more familiar with the former to generate the discussion.

But I do agree concerning the stuff where they go overboard as though they were personal friends of her.

arista · 20-02-2020, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Any news on the funeral yet?

Is it scatter on Sea ?

Marsh. · 20-02-2020, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

It's the most painful, shocking thing I've ever experienced.

I never understood what a broken heart meant, until I went through that experience. You physically feel like you lost a part of yourself.

Tom4784 · 20-02-2020, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

If this is referring to my post then you're completely wrong, it's not being made into any competition not from me personally, the point is that any suicide is an awful tragedy, not just when its someone famous.

Yes caroline will have been a fixture in some homes over the years but the thing is, they still dont know her, regardless of how often she was on thier tv that's a persona, not the real person, the only people that truly knew her where her friends and family, its gross for people that never knew her to act like they did not to mention disrespectful to her family and friends, who are the people that are really hurting here

I would have quoted your post if I was referring to it.

It's an attitude I've seen all over Social Media, people hoping they can farm likes and shares by diminishing one tragedy in favour of another. Hell, I've ever seen a trend that I'm reluctant to bash but it's still gross of people who have suffered suicides in their families or friend circles to use them to make a post go viral by begging for shares. It's just.... Ugh.

The point is that people would still be more aware of Caroline because of her work. People will empathise with the firefighter but there will always be more grief for a celebrity because people will believe they know them to an extent through their work. It's just how it is.