[bots]

the key word here is personality. Sporting achievement gets a tick, but given that personality includes views expressed and example to others ..... that aspect gets a big X.

That being said, it's not a panel that decide the winner, it's the british public, it would be interesting to see if they consider him worthy of the title

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Anthony Joshua is decent, respectful person.

Tyson Fury is entitled to his own beliefs and people are entitled to think he's a **** for holding them as well

Don’t know why the shrug, my point it’s about one just opens his mouth and let’s the words come out without thinking and one thinks about everything he says not to damage his brand.

Plus people can change and people can change their minds.

Not to long ago you thought the sun shone out of Conor mcgreggors bum, and look how that turd turned out, getting women pregnant behind his partners back and punching pensioners on the sly in pubs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes people can change for the good or the bad

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Don’t know why the shrug, my point it’s about one just opens his mouth and let’s the words come out without thinking and one thinks about everything he says not to damage his brand.

Plus people can change and people can change their minds.

Not to long ago you thought the sun shone out of Conor mcgreggors bum, and look how that turd turned out, getting women pregnant behind his partners back and punching pensioners on the sly in pubs.

Yep that's true and I changed my mind because of stuff he did and said..............that's being consistent, don't you think?

I do need to pick you up on one error though, he did have a DNA test for that baby in Liverpool and it wasn't his. (I'm sure he still cheated on Dee many times though)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Anthony Joshua is decent, respectful person.

Tyson Fury is entitled to his own beliefs and people are entitled to think he's a **** for holding them as well

Exactly how I feel.

I always think Anthony Joshua is a testament to his Mum... she did something so right with him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

or maybe they dont but the veil slips

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Exactly how I feel.

I always think Anthony Joshua is a testament to his Mum... she did something so right with him.

He really is, I would so love him to beat Fury but I don't think he can unfortunately

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or maybe they dont but the veil slips

Yeah, honestly I think Conor was always a scumbag but hid it better when he was on his way up, all that Mayweather money and thinking he was untouchable allowed him to relax and be himself I think

[GoldHeart]

A few Boxers seem to act really weird & ignorant, it's obviously too many punches to the head that's affected them mentally . But I don't like Tyson Fury.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So he is nailed on to win that award but its only a few years since he expressed these views:


In a 2015 interview, he compared being gay to paedophilia and claimed that homosexuality is “one of the three things that will lead to the apocalypse”.

He said: “There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the devil comes home. One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other one is paedophiles.”

In a 2016 hour-long rant, the boxer made anti-semitic remarks, alongside a series of disturbing comments about rape, bestiality and paedophilia.

He said: “Everyone just do what you can, listen to the government follow everybody like sheep, be brainwashed by all the Zionist, Jewish people who own all the banks, all the papers, all the TV stations.”

Fury also previously said that the “Gay Rights Act 1977”, which does not exist, was backed by supporters of legalising paedophilia.

In an interview which surfaced in 2017, he said: “I have newspaper evidence that suggest that the Gay Rights Act of 1977 backed in favour of paedophilia being legalised in the UK. So how dare I say that, but how dare it be on the national paper…. These are the people, these are now politicians or whatever in the country…”

In the same interview, he added his “personal belief” was that “a woman’s best place is in the kitchen and on her back”.

Fury has denied being homophobic, but has long refused to directly apologise for his comments and in 2018 stormed out of an interview after being challenged on them.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/2...eontay-wilder/

Should we be lauding this man as a British hero so soon after such views or is it so far in the past as to not matter as much?

I heard this on the radio this morning,They were saying how he seems to have been forgiven but not the likes of Danny Baker and Alistair Stewert, his remarks are very out dated ,he doesn't seem a very nice man.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I heard this on the radio this morning,They were saying how he seems to have been forgiven but not the likes of Danny Baker and Alistair Stewert, his remarks are very out dated ,he doesn't seem a very nice man.

Danny Baker and Alistair Stewert work in the media and should be media savvy, I don't know in what world they would be comparable.



We should be comparing him to Kobe Bryant who comes from the same world who was forgiven for rape with violence

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Danny Baker and Alistair Stewert work in the media and should be media savvy, I don't know in what world they would be comparable.



We should be comparing him to Kobe Bryant who comes from the same world who was forgiven for rape with violence

Weird how no even mentioned it about him, I didn't hear about that till someone mentioned it on FB and they got torn apart for daring to mention it....what the **** is wrong with people

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So he is nailed on to win that award but its only a few years since he expressed these views:


In a 2015 interview, he compared being gay to paedophilia and claimed that homosexuality is “one of the three things that will lead to the apocalypse”.

He said: “There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the devil comes home. One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other one is paedophiles.”

In a 2016 hour-long rant, the boxer made anti-semitic remarks, alongside a series of disturbing comments about rape, bestiality and paedophilia.

He said: “Everyone just do what you can, listen to the government follow everybody like sheep, be brainwashed by all the Zionist, Jewish people who own all the banks, all the papers, all the TV stations.”

Fury also previously said that the “Gay Rights Act 1977”, which does not exist, was backed by supporters of legalising paedophilia.

In an interview which surfaced in 2017, he said: “I have newspaper evidence that suggest that the Gay Rights Act of 1977 backed in favour of paedophilia being legalised in the UK. So how dare I say that, but how dare it be on the national paper…. These are the people, these are now politicians or whatever in the country…”

In the same interview, he added his “personal belief” was that “a woman’s best place is in the kitchen and on her back”.

Fury has denied being homophobic, but has long refused to directly apologise for his comments and in 2018 stormed out of an interview after being challenged on them.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/2...eontay-wilder/

Should we be lauding this man as a British hero so soon after such views or is it so far in the past as to not matter as much?

Him and that Folau guy should be best buddies based on their extreme views on Homosexuality.

Being honest though I think that there's more talent and strategy in other Sports compared to Boxing anyway, so even if Fury weren't making all of these prejudice comments I'd still disagree with his win personally, his prejudices towards other groups of people just make me really not want him to be celebrated.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep that's true and I changed my mind because of stuff he did and said..............that's being consistent, don't you think?

I do need to pick you up on one error though, he did have a DNA test for that baby in Liverpool and it wasn't his. (I'm sure he still cheated on Dee many times though)

So on the note of changing your mind or opinion of someone they also can change in the way they think.

I think it’s how much you want to invest into someone you don’t know personally.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So that means he gets a pass for all the disgusting stuff he's said? Not in my world. He has a mind of his own

Indeed, but maybe we should allow for the fact that he is intellectually lacking.
A complete asshole of a man who doesn’t deserve the accolade of Sports personality of the year.

[Livia]

It surprises me that someone from an - for the want of a better word - "ethnic" background, would want to smear others with their prejudice, knowing that they themselves have been on the receiving end.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He says he was misquoted, and also we don't know what mental state he was in, he has apologised and moved on

He allegedly has donated his 7 million purse from the first Wilder fight to Alcohol and Drug Charities in the UK? learning from your mistakes and championing charities is role model stuff to me, who here hasn't made a mistake in life?

Again, I'm not saying that he should be hauled over the coals for it after apologizing or that it should affect his actual career - but winning a prize like sports personality of the year is not an integral part of his career... and IMO, should go to someone else.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

So on the note of changing your mind or opinion of someone they also can change in the way they think.

I think it’s how much you want to invest into someone you don’t know personally.

I haven't actually changed how I think though, I have judged people by how they've acted and what they've said and when Conor crossed lines in what I personally believe is right or wrong I adjusted my view on him accordingly so not exactly sure what point you think you've proved here..........

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed, but maybe we should allow for the fact that he is intellectually lacking.
A complete asshole of a man who doesn’t deserve the accolade of Sports personality of the year.

100% agree with you Smudgie

[Tom4784]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse someone from being bigoted and, as TS has said, it wasn't that long ago that he said these things and it's not like he suffered much in the way of consequences for it so the chances of him learning from his mistakes is unlikely.

Sports personality awards should go to people of moral fibre and not enough time has passed especially considering he was childish enough to storm out of interviews two years ago about this subject instead of tackling them head on and showing how much he has purportedly changed.

[Cherie]

I would love to see him win Sports Personality of the year but the GBP will never vote for him, where is the harm in putting him forward

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Danny Baker and Alistair Stewert work in the media and should be media savvy, I don't know in what world they would be comparable.



We should be comparing him to Kobe Bryant who comes from the same world who was forgiven for rape with violence

Kobe Bryant was a rapist?

I've not heard or seen one person mention that fact until this thread.

How many years ago was it supposed to have happened?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Weird how no even mentioned it about him, I didn't hear about that till someone mentioned it on FB and they got torn apart for daring to mention it....what the **** is wrong with people

Even on this thread it is being ignored, quelle surprise

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and Fury is a product of his environment, as far as I know AJ was brought up by his Mum so he will have had different influences in his life

Many people are raised in environments tainted by hatred and yet they are not always hateful. That excuse only goes so far, really. Everyone who isn't hateful comes to a realisation that what they were taught were wrong.

I was raised in a deeply racist area yet I'm not racist myself because I came to my own conclusions.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Exactly how I feel.

I always think Anthony Joshua is a testament to his Mum... she did something so right with him.

I've seen AJ in a couple of interviews and I think being honest... a not-small part of it is that he just seems to be a bit brighter than a lot of professional fighters, especially for a heavyweight . That's not really intended as an insult to other fighters, nor is it an excuse for anyone to hold ... distastreful ... opinions, just an observation really.

Maybe it is an element though. It's hard to change someone's opinions if they've been ingrained and they don't really have the ability to properly understand what's wrong with it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Many people are raised in environments tainted by hatred and yet they are not always hateful. That excuse only goes so far, really. Everyone who isn't hateful comes to a realisation that what they were taught were wrong.

I was raised in a deeply racist area yet I'm not racist myself because I came to my own conclusions.

Apples and oranges, you had a formal education, I doubt Furey had