[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I know right I wish I was hot so I could have one

I reckon I could make a small fortune off TiBB members honestly. But it's just gross

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MB.

Or you could actually pay sex workers what they deserve to earn like you would for any other profession!

workers

deserve

earn

profession

Camwhores aren't sex workers, they're not like prostitutes who are actually endangering themselves by being trapped in their awful situations...

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Camwhores aren't sex workers, they're not like prostitutes who are actually endangering themselves by being trapped in their awful situations...

Don't try and claim like you care about the safety of sex workers when you've just called them prostitutes.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Don't try and claim like you care about the safety of sex workers when you've just called them prostitutes.

Is there another word for them?

[user104658]

Going to be honest here and say that I think "empowering sex work" is one of the most misguided and dangerous aspects of modern liberalism. It legitimizes something that if you take a look at the actual facts, is an absolute horror show. From porn to full on prostitution it's an absolute mess of exploitation, misogyny and desperation. And that includes every "self-employed" variant.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is there another word for them?

Sex workers

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Going to be honest here and say that I think "empowering sex work" is one of the most misguided and dangerous aspects of modern liberalism. It legitimizes something that if you take a look at the actual facts, is an absolute horror show. From porn to full on prostitution it's an absolute mess of exploitation, misogyny and desperation. And that includes every "self-employed" variant.

It's an industry based on a horrific history of misogyny, exploitation and just utter sadness, but it's important to help keep women (and men) safe.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Sex workers

Prostitution is prostitution? It has a definition and I'm not sure what purpose pretending it's an offensive term serves. Prostitutes are sex workers, not all sex workers are prostitutes (e.g. cam girls are sex workers, but not prostitutes). They're not interchangeable terms? One is a blanket term and one is specific.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Sex workers

lol kay. I thought that was the "generic term", otherwise there's no way to distinguish between people who do actual sex work, and those who share photos and videos of their paraphernalia.

I genuinely didn't realise people got salty over the word "prostitute", so if anyone here was personally offended, I'm sorry you feel that way

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Prostitution is prostitution? It has a definition and I'm not sure what purpose pretending it's an offensive term serves. Prostitutes are sex workers, not all sex workers are prostitutes (e.g. cam girls are sex workers, but not prostitutes). They're not interchangeable terms? One is a blanket term and one is specific.

This offers an interesting debate: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnis...-matter-519459

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It's an industry based on a horrific history of misogyny, exploitation and just utter sadness, but it's important to help keep women (and men) safe.

So long as the attempt to keep the people who are unfortunately still engaging in it as safe as possible - much as addiction services try to keep drug users as safe as possible - isn't mistakenly perceived as it being ACTUALLY safe, or new, or different. It's not just a horrific history, it's a horrific present and a horrific future. There is no sanitised version of sex work and like I said... pretending that there is or can be is just dangerous, and can inadvertently lure young women (especially) into a financial trap that they can't get out of and eventually wish they had never entered. It should never, EVER be regarded as a good or attractive "career"... or anything but an absolutely awful way to make money that most people regret and exit with a myriad of mental health problems - if they exit at all.

[Zizu]

What the hell is OnlyFans ??

I only heard about it yesterday.. fans of what ... football , movies , music ?


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What the hell is OnlyFans ??

I only heard about it yesterday.. fans of what ... football , movies , music ?


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Famous people (who are not famous FOR porn) selling porn (of themselves) to their fans, is the quickest explanation.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Or you could actually pay sex workers what they deserve to earn like you would for any other profession!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I reckon I could make a small fortune off TiBB members honestly. But it's just gross

Honestly Scott would pay your mortgage if you charged him a fee for viewing your pics on FootFans.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Camwhores aren't sex workers, they're not like prostitutes who are actually endangering themselves by being trapped in their awful situations...

It's more cmparable to modelling than it is prostitution.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Honestly Scott would pay your mortgage if you charged him a fee for viewing your pics on FootFans.

I'd cover them in HP sauce and wiggle my toes BUT I'D BE SAD ABOUT IT.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So long as the attempt to keep the people who are unfortunately still engaging in it as safe as possible - much as addiction services try to keep drug users as safe as possible - isn't mistakenly perceived as it being ACTUALLY safe, or new, or different. It's not just a horrific history, it's a horrific present and a horrific future. There is no sanitised version of sex work and like I said... pretending that there is or can be is just dangerous, and can inadvertently lure young women (especially) into a financial trap that they can't get out of and eventually wish they had never entered. It should never, EVER be regarded as a good or attractive "career"... or anything but an absolutely awful way to make money that most people regret and exit with a myriad of mental health problems - if they exit at all.

I don't disagree with any of this. I do think you're right. I just think safety starts with respecting the workers from the beginning. Changing the term from prostitution to sex work might mask the issues, but it helps transform attitudes towards the women and men who do it as a form of work. It's like calling someone a "drug addict" instead of "junkie" – one respects them as a human and the other doesn't (not that sex work and drug addiction are similar, but the attitudes towards people with addiction are changing and changing terminology does help).

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's more cmparable to modelling than it is prostitution.

I mean... it isn't... the purpose of it is for sad lonely blokes to blow their load into a mansized tissue or a crusty old sock. Again let's not sanitise it, it's about sex not aesthetics.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's more cmparable to modelling than it is prostitution.

Pretty much

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd cover them in HP sauce and wiggle my toes BUT I'D BE SAD ABOUT IT.

Saucy tootsies whilst you SOB! That would sell!!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean... it isn't... the purpose of it is for sad lonely blokes to blow their load into a mansized tissue or a crusty old sock. Again let's not sanitise it, it's about sex not aesthetics.

I meant for the person themselves. Posing for pics and videos is more like the old porn mags than having sex with strangers in a crack den.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I don't disagree with any of this. I do think you're right. I just think safety starts with respecting the workers from the beginning. Changing the term from prostitution to sex work might mask the issues, but it helps transform attitudes towards the women and men who do it as a form of work. It's like calling someone a "drug addict" instead of "junkie" – one respects them as a human and the other doesn't (not that sex work and drug addiction are similar, but the attitudes towards people with addiction are changing and changing terminology does help).

The attitudes of the wider public, maybe I could agree on, but the attitudes of the people actually engaging with what's on sale? I highly doubt it. Much as a drug dealer doesn't care whether their next sale is to a junkie or a drug addict. Also "addict" rather than "junkie" is still a negative term, even if respectful... No one is internalising the message; "Oh I would never want to be a junkie - but being a drug addict sounds OK". "Sex worker" is a specific attempt to rebrand prostitution as "as legitimate a job as any other" and like I said, the end result of that is MORE vulnerable and naive young people going down that route with absolutely no idea of the realities of it. I don't know that the trade off is worth it. Trading current people doing it "feeling better about it" for more people being tempted into it?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I meant for the person themselves. Posing for pics and videos is more like the old porn mags than having sex with strangers in a crack den.

Most of the old porn mags were pictures of people having sex with strangers in a crack den . They just cropped the drug paraphernalia out of the shot or told them to leave it in the bathroom .

(Which I feel serves as a decent metaphor for the surface sanitisation of the industry as a whole...)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Most of the old porn mags were pictures of people having sex with strangers in a crack den . They just cropped the drug paraphernalia out of the shot or told them to leave it in the bathroom .

I meant more big tits Zoe in Zoo mag. Not THOSE magazines. I'm not LT.

So is Only Fans like twitter behind a paywall or a full on porn site?