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Originally Posted by Swan

Well it is ironic because Labour supporters (gotta be half) are fighting against this kinda social structure. Also, a multi millionaire 'sir' cannot possibly identify with the plights of the working class, the poor, the struggling, the people living paycheck to paycheck.



Rebecca Long-Bailey was the much better option imo.

If you're an idealist, sure. But those people won't get elected; we're not there yet. Under the tories we won't ever be there. So Labour supporters have to accept "status quo leadership" in a Tory-alternative that has a chance of being elected, in order to implement the basic changes that are needed to change that social structure.

You can't try to grab everything at once because the support isn't there until the groundwork has been put in. Labour needs an electable leader before they can get to work on their more ambitious policies.

I'm not a Labourite by the way, I fundamentally disagreed with many of Corbyn's more out-there policy dreams, and the policies of many of the Labour candidates.

I have no interest in a full shift to socialism but the UK (the whole world) is going to need a socialist "shunt" over the next few years... The Tories are making some encouraging noises but I don't trust them to follow through. The UK may well need "sensible Labour" quite soon.