[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes due to emergency legislation from March they can sign remotely.

Do you think they are making mistakes, that any death is being signed off as covid related?

Yes how many people think they have Covid and test negative, flu like symptoms, asthmas, pneunomia literally anyone who dies in a care home without testing will be listed as having died with Covid like symptoms

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Are you saying that you believe people who die from CoVid have only died in hospital?

Despite the fact I’ve just stated Guernsey figures (albeit much smaller) but still relevant

No of course people are dying in nursing homes, I had a relative die myself in a nursing home in Ireland, the problem lies in what is written on the death cert Covid like...and actual Covid, if they havent been tested how can it be confirmed .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No of course people are dying in nursing homes, I had a relative die myself in a nursing home in Ireland, the problem lies in what is written on the death Covid like...and actual Covid, if they havent been tested how can it be confirmed .

My grandmother-in-law (in her 80's,lots of health conditions and very frail) was in hospital in March, being treated as a Covid patient (pneumonia-like symptoms). She's in and out of hospital quite a lot, has been for years. Thankfully she recovered again and was sent home... Test results eventually came through, Covid negative. If (God forbid) she had died in the hospital, her death would 100% have been recorded as a Covid death. The doctors were convinced she had it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes how many people think they have Covid and test negative, flu like symptoms, asthmas, pneunomia literally anyone who dies in a care home without testing will be listed as having died with Covid like symptoms

That's a possibility. . We would have to wait for the yearly average of asthma or pneumonia related deaths to be collated to decide if there has been any misdiagnosed cause of death in these care homes.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My grandmother-in-law (in her 80's,lots of health conditions and very frail) was in hospital in March, being treated as a Covid patient (pneumonia-like symptoms). She's in and out of hospital quite a lot, has been for years. Thankfully she recovered again and was sent home... Test results eventually came through, Covid negative. If (God forbid) she had died in the hospital, her death would 100% have been recorded as a Covid death. The doctors were convinced she had it.

good she recovered first of all

but covid + pneumonia are similar, only difference is covid is so many times more aggressive, i personally can understand doctors being convinced it was covid at first

but this is what you get if you don't test enough, and test results come later than when you actually want them

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

but covid + pneumonia are similar, only difference is covid is so many times more aggressive, i personally can understand doctors being convinced it was covid at first

Again Nicky this is not accurate at all... Covid is mild, a small number of Covid patients develop more dangerous pneumonia-like symptoms. In the elderly, ANY pneumonia is often very bad news.

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, can people try to stick to the thread topic please?

[bots]

when anyone dies in old age, they usually pick an existing diagnosed issue as the cause, which usually is the most significant of many issues. Without testing and proper diagnosis, it's always a best guess on the certificate

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

when anyone dies in old age, they usually pick an existing diagnosed issue as the cause, which usually is the most significant of many issues. Without testing and proper diagnosis, it's always a best guess on the certificate

That's often the case really, I believe my mum's official cause of death was pneumonia (as that's what she was taken into hospital for) but the reality was cascading multiple organ failure due to her liver giving up.

[GoldHeart]

18,000 deaths that we know of, just think how many more there is that we don't know about in the UK

[bots]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

18,000 deaths that we know of, just think how many more there is that we don't know about in the UK

the 18k figure is the legally required registered figure ... so it will be pretty accurate. Dying home alone with no relatives would be about the only exception

[Trouble1321075]

The devil is in the details of the numbers but at face value i think its fair to conclude that C19 is at least partially responsible for statistical anomalies.

I think saying that X amount of people died last year during the same time period and therefore any difference between that number and the current ones is due to the outbreak is an over simplification.
There are other mitigating factors that need to be included as modifiers to get a more accurate count. If that was not done then the 40k is no more valuable than throwing a dart at a board and picking whatever random number it hit.

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