[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The point is that they don’t think it’s safe ..


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well, no, the point is it's not comparing like with like

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well, no, the point is it's not comparing like with like

Well they’re not opening until Sept .. what does that suggest ?


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[Zizu]

More and more schools / authorities are saying that they will not reopen on 1st June ..


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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

More and more schools / authorities are saying that they will not reopen on 1st June ..


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That's up to them isn't it ? What's your thoughts about the kids of nurses ,doctors ,electricians , plumbers delivery drivers , the list goes on, if these people took that stance we'de all be sat in the dark and hungry,and that would not be good for kids either .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's up to them isn't it ? What's your thoughts about the kids of nurses ,doctors ,electricians , plumbers delivery drivers , the list goes on, if these people took that stance we'de all be sat in the dark and hungry,and that would not be good for kids either .

The kids of key workers were the real guinea pigs, not a word about them though

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's up to them isn't it ? What's your thoughts about the kids of nurses ,doctors ,electricians , plumbers delivery drivers , the list goes on, if these people took that stance we'de all be sat in the dark and hungry,and that would not be good for kids either .

Schools are already nursemaiding the children of all those occupations and have been for months..

They can all follow social distancing regulations and have access to PPE .. school staff have neither ... the corridors are not even 2 metres wide ..

Don’t see your point tbh


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The kids of key workers were the real guinea pigs, not a word about them though

There’s a hell of a difference between having 15 key worker / vulnerable children in the school setting and adding 4 additional year groups of children .

Some primary schools could potentially go from having 14 or 15 pupils in to having 150 pupils


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[Zizu]

Apparently just one week after a third of French schoolchildren went back to school ( easing of the coronavirus lockdown ) there have been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.


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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The kids of key workers were the real guinea pigs, not a word about them though

Exactly Cherie, if these people could not work due to home schooling their children,we'de be up **** creek without a paddle.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Apparently just one week after a third of French schoolchildren went back to school ( easing of the coronavirus lockdown ) there have been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.


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Just a week after one-third of French schoolchildren went back to school in an easing of the coronavirus lockdown, there has been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.

Some schools were opened last week and a further 150,000 secondary school students went back to the classroom on Monday as further restrictions were loosened by the government. The move initially spelled relief: the end of homeschooling for many hundreds of thousands of exhausted French parents, many of whom were also working from home.

But French education minister Jean-Michel Blanquer sounded the alarm on Monday, telling French radio RTL that the return has put some children in new danger of contamination. He said the affected schools are being closed immediately.



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[Zizu]

Interestingly France chose certain areas to reopen their schools !!


This week France is reopening junior high schools in “green” regions less affected by the virus, which do not include Paris.


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Exactly Cherie, if these people could not work due to home schooling their children,we'de be up **** creek without a paddle.

I have friends who work in the local special needs school, 4 kids in, 2 per class, every day they have 3 different support staff looking after them as they are on two weekly rotas so over a two week period the kids come into contact with 30 different people and the staff are not even put in with the same two children when they go back in after two weeks, plus one of my friends works in Tesco part time, but the management say that is not an issue So far no Covid oh and no teachers it's just the support staff in, so that is how 'hero's' kids are treated, now it's all about safety?

Teachers possibly furloughed as they are more expensive and it is an Academy?

[Zizu]

So is this a political thing now ??
Where Labour councils will prevent their schools from following the Tory’s plea to reopen 1st June ??

At least 300 schools in England will ignore the government’s plans to open to more pupils on June 1 as several councils said it was not safe for them to do so.

Liverpool, Hartlepool, Rochdale and Stockport councils have told parents that the primary schools they control will not be reopening to children from reception, year 1 and year 6 at the start of next month, as proposed by the government, with more local authorities yet to commit.

The growing list of dissenting councils — most led by the opposition Labour party — emerged as a stand-off persisted between ministers and teaching unions demanding more information before accepting that it is safe to begin a phased reopening of schools for up to 2m children. The children of key workers have been able to attend schools through the coronavirus crisis.


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[Zizu]

The Department for Education’s chief scientific adviser admitted he has not assessed whether guidance on reopening schools is effective, adding the current advice is “draft” and “will be developed”.

Appearing in front of the Parliamentary science and technology committee today, Osama Rahman also admitted the DfE had done no modelling on the impact on transmission rates of starting to reopen schools after the May half term break.

During a hearing that left some MPs visibly bemused, Rahman also suggested the government guidance issued yesterday on safety is a “draft”, and will be reissued after further consultation with Public Health England.

He also said the decision to reopen schools was made by cabinet, not the DfE.

Carol Monaghan, the SNP’s education spokesperson, said that as a former teacher, she “did not think the profession will be satisfied or put at ease with what they are hearing”.

It comes just hours after education secretary Gavin Williamson accused unions who have raised concerns about the reopening plans as “scaremongering”.

Asked about the transmission rate among children during the hearing, Rahman said the evidence is mixed, and there’s a “low degree of confidence in evidence they might transmit it less”.

Monaghan responded: “We’re putting together hundreds of potential vectors that can then go and transmit. Is that correct?”

Rahman said: “Possibly, depending on school sizes.”

[Zizu]

Sooooo ..

If an authority ( say Liverpool for example ) has stated their schools won’t be reopening on the 1st June as per government guidelines BUT then a school decides to open a week or so later anyways ..

I wonder how that school will be regarded by the council / council leader ??


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[parmnion]

The figures of new cases by the 1st wont allow this.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The figures of new cases by the 1st wont allow this.

I’m not prepared to go into too much detail for obvious reasons but reading between the lines of our daily bulletins it kinda looks as though our school is looking to return with year 10’s but they stress NOT on the 1st June - to use their words “likely increase in pupil numbers over the next half term”

Did I mention we’ve been open all throughout the past few months for key worker / vulnerable children ( including Easter holidays and Bank holidays) .


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[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’m not prepared to go into too much detail for obvious reasons but reading between the lines of our daily bulletins it kinda looks as though our school is looking to return with year 10’s but they stress NOT on the 1st June - to use their words “likely increase in pupil numbers over the next half term”

Did I mention we’ve been open all throughout the past few months for key worker / vulnerable children ( including Easter holidays and Bank holidays) .


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Yes..my mate kevs son has been going to school every day since they closed...they hardly do anything though.

[parmnion]

Its false hope...

No way will families send their kids to school unless its 100 percent safe.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes..my mate kevs son has been going to school every day since they closed...they hardly do anything though.

True enough .. but the ‘risk’ is still there for staff , pupils and all the connected families .

The ‘risk factor’ to all concerned will be massively increased when daily pupil numbers rise from 16/17 to anywhere around 100 ..

That’s the concern .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Its false hope...

No way will families send their kids to school unless its 100 percent safe.

I’m not to sure about that tbh especially given how ‘muddy’ the waters of information are


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[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Zizu

True enough .. but the ‘risk’ is still there for staff , pupils and all the connected families .

The ‘risk factor’ to all concerned will be massively increased when daily pupil numbers rise from 16/17 to anywhere around 100 ..

That’s the concern .


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Well this is it ain't it.

Take kevs situation..my work mate.

Me and him are in houses daily, his wife is working because she works in an office that supplies goods vehicles.. their son has adhd, but is doing so well by not once kicking up a fuss about going to school..(obviously the other things are still kicking off though at times)

So parents need to know this, and I reckon they do..so they ain't going to risk sending their kids back to mingle with other kids that have had a much much reduced lockdown as their family has endured.

Maybe the schools should be opened when the essential workers can have time off due to safer numbers of cases etc..let them bring thier kids home from school for some good family time as well..

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well this is it ain't it.



Take kevs situation..my work mate.



Me and him are in houses daily, his wife is working because she works in an office that supplies goods vehicles.. their son has adhd, but is doing so well by not once kicking up a fuss about going to school..(obviously the other things are still kicking off though at times)



So parents need to know this, and I reckon they do..so they ain't going to risk sending their kids back to mingle with other kids that have had a much much reduced lockdown as their family has endured.



Maybe the schools should be opened when the essential workers can have time off due to safer numbers of cases etc..let them bring thier kids home from school for some good family time as well..

We’ve just been for a ‘supposedly’ peaceful evening dog walk .. . all very pleasant apart from seeing soooo many teenagers out and about with their mates .. many sat closer together on the grass simply chatting (mainly teenage girls) and about 15 lads jumping in the river with loads cheering them on ..


Now on the face of it they’re doing no harm apart from mixing closely together and then going back to their families... and then in a week or so potentially returning to their high schools .

All very worrying tbh


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[Zizu]

I’ve also just caught Sky news and heard Dr Devi Sridhar admitting that we simply don’t know for certain how good or bad kids are at transmitting the virus to adults !

Also there is a ‘delayed immune reaction’ that some children are getting to the virus which is news to me ..

She also touched on that inflammatory syndrome .. over 200 children have it in the Uk and Europe .. also well over 200 cases of it in the States ( 130 in New York alone ) .


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[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’ve also just caught Sky news and heard Dr Devi Sridhar admitting that we simply don’t know for certain how good or bad kids are at transmitting the virus to adults !

Also there is a ‘delayed immune reaction’ that some children are getting to the virus which is news to me ..

She also touched on that inflammatory syndrome .. over 200 children have it in the Uk and Europe .. also well over 200 cases of it in the States ( 130 in New York alone ) .


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Boris said the track and trace will be up and running by the 1st..same day all the wee kiddies go back to school....I bet they swab each kid and use that as the track and tracing mechanism.