[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment.

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.

The window at the front was open and I believe Madeleines bed was next to it. This was at the front of the apartment but there was a drop from the window to the ground. It’s been reported this guy is tall...but maybe he had an accomplice?
But yes the patio doors were left unlocked..

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The window at the front was open and I believe Madeleines bed was next to it. This was at the front of the apartment but there was a drop from the window to the ground. It’s been reported this guy is tall...but maybe he had an accomplice?
But yes the patio doors were left unlocked..

Yes, but I was talking about the comment Kate made about the curtains blowing in the breeze, which they can't have been with the shutters down, closed and locked.

[Marsh.]

She probably was snatched, and Kate and Gerry have muddied the initial crime scene in their desperate panic at trying to make it seem like she wasn't neglected with the incorrect description of the crime scene, the lies about how often the kids were checked on.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

They didn’t do it....their only crime was to leave their 3 children alone in an unlocked apartment. A decision they must regret every day of their lives. They had the option of childcare...all their friends were equally guilty.

She was abducted.

With all due respect you dont know whether they did it or not. There was zero evidence that she was abducted where as there was some evidence to say she died in the apartment as indicated by the blood and cadaver dogs

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Again only from memory I think kate said they broke in through the shutters on a phonecall home but then it was shown that the shutter were down, locked and undisturbed, locked.from the inside.

It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, but I was talking about the comment Kate made about the curtains blowing in the breeze, which they can't have been with the shutters down, closed and locked.

I thought the shutters were open hence the breeze...they wouldn’t have to be opened much. I haven’t heard that they wouldn’t stay up...that’s new to me.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect you dont know whether they did it or not. There was zero evidence that she was abducted where as there was some evidence to say she died in the apartment as indicated by the blood and cadaver dogs

I remember thinking that they may have been guilty. Knowing how she had cried the night before when she woke and couldn’t find them...my first thoughts were that they may have given her something to make her sleep and maybe overdosed. However being doctors I’m sure they wouldn’t have done that. The blood they found wasn’t conclusive.
I know I don’t know...it’s simply my opinion. I know there was a window open causing a breeze. Either she’s wandered off and been abducted or someone got in. This other little girl in Germany wandered off and disappeared too...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I thought the shutters were open hence the breeze...

That's what she said initially.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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People will say silly things or accidentally contradict themselves when they're trying to lie on the fly after something catastrophic has happened. No wonder Kate refused to answer so many questions, it was a while before they could get their story straight.

[arista]

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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Who knows? There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.

They are both intelligent people but still left 3'children under 4 unsupervised, at night, in a foreign country after the eldest child told them she had been crying for them the previous.night. Now, I'm no Doctor but even my intellect tells me that's wrong

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.

See I don’t know anywhere near enough about this case and especially the “facts” surrounding it but again it just seems unlikely that their family members would be saying things that would incriminate the McCanns ... it sounds remarkably like simple media talk

. May I ask where you got that info on the family statements ?


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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

See I don’t know anywhere near enough about this case and especially the “facts” surrounding it but again it just seems unlikely that their family members would be saying things that would incriminate the McCanns ... it sounds remarkably like simple media talk

. May I ask where you got that info on the family statements ?


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Again, it was mentioned on the documentaries and in interviews since then.....hang on I'll find a link.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Again, it was mentioned on the documentaries and in interviews since then.....hang on I'll find a link.

But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


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It could simply be the stress of the time.....that is why there is such strong feelings on them. When they were classed as official suspects in the early days, Kate refused to answer a lot of the police questions and did some quite questionable things like washing Maddies fave toy....could be a sign of guilt but equally of shock. The whole case is devisive.....

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It could simply be the stress of the time.....that is why there is such strong feelings on them. When they were classed as official suspects in the early days, Kate refused to answer a lot of the police questions and did some quite questionable things like washing Maddies fave toy....could be a sign of guilt but equally of shock. The whole case is devisive.....

That’s a fair comment


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Who knows? There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.

They are both intelligent people but still left 3'children under 4 unsupervised, at night, in a foreign country after the eldest child told them she had been crying for them the previous.night. Now, I'm no Doctor but even my intellect tells me that's wrong

There are so many inconsistencies in this tragedy.
The second paragraph of your post is what always sticks with me.
It's something I cannot get past myself in this case.
Really strong post again Annie.

If the Parents really know nothing about what happened or whether they do.
As to any development or result of this.
Your last paragraph above, makes the most worrying and confusing reading on the loss of this child.

Maybe confusion is all that's been created in this whole tragedy to offset any concrete results being possible.
Obviously now, this new investigation, yet another, despite all the previous investigating, we need to see where this goes I guess.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There are so many inconsistencies in this tragedy.
The second paragraph of your post is what always sticks with me.
It's something I cannot get past myself in this case.
Really strong post again Annie.

If the Parents really know nothing about what happened or whether they do.
As to any development or result of this.
Your last paragraph above, makes the most worrying and confusing reading on the loss of this child.

Maybe confusion is all that's been created in this whole tragedy to offset any concrete results being possible.
Obviously now, this new investigation, yet another, despite all the previous investigating, we need to see where this goes I guess.

So good to see you posting Joey

I desperately want to feel terribly sorry for the McCanns. They have faced the unspeakable that is every parent's worst fear.....but I can't get past them leaving them alone at such a young age.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


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You would think. . . The lead Portuguese detective made them suspects and then was taken off the case and case was shelved (again these are all verified facts not rumours or made up stories)

They're being protected for some reason and if you dont believe dodgy conspiracy esque stuff like that goes on just watch the Jeffrey Epstein documentary

[Livia]

I'm not a massive fan of Judge Rinder but I agree with his comments yesterday, where he said that the McCanns had been hideously libelled by Internet trolls. I couldn't agree more. All the people who think they're privy to certain information because they read it on the Internet, written by other trolls. You'd think that if the information is that solid, why someone - anyone - could verify these "facts". But, no....

The Portuguese police mishandled the case from day one. One bungle after another... and they closed the case far too soon. Luckily, Scotland Yard and Interpol were less tardy.

If this paedophile is convicted, I hope the McCanns spend any money left in the pot bringing Internet trolls into court.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not a massive fan of Judge Rinder but I agree with his comments yesterday, where he said that the McCanns had been hideously libelled by Internet trolls. I couldn't agree more. All the people who think they're privy to certain information because they read it on the Internet, written by other trolls. You'd think that if the information is that solid, why someone - anyone - could verify these "facts". But, no....

The Portuguese police mishandled the case from day one. One bungle after another... and they closed the case far too soon. Luckily, Scotland Yard and Interpol were less tardy.

If this paedophile is convicted, I hope the McCanns spend any money left in the pot bringing Internet trolls into court.

Excellent take on things !


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[Tom4784]

And this lead will end up going nowhere because there was no conspiracy or kidnapping, just two negligent parents covering up their grave mistake.

[Livia]

I also think the McCanns are victim of inverted snobbery. How many times have I heard that if they were working class they would have been treated worse, that people would have imagined they were guilty rather than imagining they were innocent. I remember Karen Matthews. She was working class and was treated as innocent right up to the time they found her guilty.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And this lead will end up going nowhere because there was no conspiracy or kidnapping, just two negligent parents covering up their grave mistake.

Nobody knows that for sure ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

I also think the McCanns are victim of inverted snobbery. How many times have I heard that if they were working class they would have been treated worse, that people would have imagined they were guilty rather than imagining they were innocent. I remember Karen Matthews. She was working class and was treated as innocent right up to the time they found her guilty.

Interesting..


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